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Robert




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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Giantman wrote:
I'm off to see if Steve Trew can turn me into Ian Thorpe


Is he a plastic surgeon? Didn't know they did foot implants! Make mine a size 24, webbed flipper design please! Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's quite a good example of showing how a fast swim time isn't that important. If you take 4 mins off his swim time it takes him to 5th overall. But if you consider that 4 mins is about 50% of his swim time then you see how being a slow swimmer is the best thing to be slow at, if you have to be slow at one thing!

If you add 50% of his bike time it takes him down to 144th.

Interesting eh? OK, maybe not.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think another benefit of being a decent swimmer though is being able to hold back a little and saving some energy for the bike and run.

A lot of people (myself included) will go 100% (or close to that) on the swim so they can get in one of the last (fast swim) heats......where the (generally) better triathletes will reside.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm what i failed to say was....after going flat-out once i get on the bike its all downhill. and im not refering to the course Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which just goes to prove that not many of us are pure triathletes, ie, we are perhaps runners who can swim and bike a bit or bikers who can swim and run a bit, etc. Just look at any results listing and the top three or so are there because they have no obvious weakness. The next batch down, say the top 10% of finishers, usually specialise in one area and are above average in the other two. Middle packers - and I accept that this is a massive generalisation - can have an obvious weakness which doesn't quite offset any time gained on their strong discipline. When I say "weakness", I don't mean this in any critical way, just in relative terms to those at the front of the race. As I have said before, the mere fact that you can swim 400m non stop, however slow, puts you in the super fit class of the general population. And yes Andy, you are right, if you have any spare time to devote to training, then you would be better off, in terms of time, trying to improve your biking by 1% than your swimming to the same degree. The former will save you minutes, the latter, seconds.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your analogies are so good Gm

( Very Happy --its not because you've really tried them out is it Cool )

--but if I see hollow tubes and ladders at my course, I'll be out of there Wink --or perhaps not, rise to the challenge would be expected Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wise words as always G, do you find that you focus on your weakest discipline ?
I try to focus on running which is mine but always seem to do a lot more swimming and biking ? I think I am subconsciously hiding from running. Any tips on how to avoid this ?



ps can i get a tshirt with superfit on ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont think you're a lone there dre. most people seem to train harder/longer in the discipline they are better at and/or enjoy the most Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so using the weakest/strongest discipline, I think I pop out the other side - I'm not good or bad at any of them - so I'm officially classing myself as a crap triathlete, because I can't claim to be good at any of the others. What a great way of spinning things to the positive.

Still, we are all fitter than the average bod these days (I like to think)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, here's the truth. If I practised what I preached, I would stop running and learn how to swim and handle a bike. But that wouldn't do my triathlon any good so I take a more realistic approach. I take a long term view of improving my weaknesses which means that I can still plenty of time for my favourite/strongest discipline, the run. What I do is use running as the base for my winter/spring endurance. I'm convinced that a good cardio vascular base can be built up using swimming or biking, although the weather must play a part in how much time you can devote to biking. I have done a 90 min turbo session before but any longer? I don't think so! So, there you have yet. Use your strengths to your advantage but don't lose sight of your weaknesses.

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