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JaRok2300
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 Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:40 am Post subject: There's no such thing as a new idea |
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Whilst I was waiting outside work this morning a guy was locking up what looked like a fairly old commuter bike (quill stem, bottle dynamo, downtube shifters etc.) and I noticed that his rear brake was under the bottom bracket. I thought this was the latest and greatest aero development guaranteed to knock at least an hour off your IM time.
I was then looking at saddles for my Brompton and came across this on Sheldon Brown about Brooks saddles.
In the 1890 Brooks catalogue, the oldest in the their archive, Brooks presents most of the saddles with the "registered cutting, a sure preventive to all perineal pressure".
Again, I thought this was a fairly recent development taken a stage further by the likes of Cobb, ISM etc.
Is there really no such thing as a new idea just a cyclical process of re-evaluating old concepts? Interested to hear if there are any other examples of these kind of things, just out of curiosity.
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The BB mounted brakes were tried on MTBs in the 80s (U Brakes), but they clogged at the drop of a hat, funny old thing!
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As an engineer (a proper one with a degree and all  ) - no there is no such thing as a new idea.
You try use a new one and get it through testing and acceptance - almost impossible. Just stick to something that's out there and adjust to suit. If it's out there, someone else has done the hard work for you. 
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| awildt wrote: | | As an engineer (a proper one with a degree and all ) |
Is that like an 'academic' doctor?
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Jorgan wrote: | | awildt wrote: | | As an engineer (a proper one with a degree and all ) |
Is that like an 'academic' doctor? |
I think that's as opposed to the "engineer" who comes and fixes the photocopier when it's not working
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| explorerJC wrote: | | awildt wrote: | As an engineer (a proper one with a degree and all ) - no there is no such thing as a new idea.
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i am sure that there are plenty of new ideas...getting them to have a practical value may be an issue |
Just ask Slogging Scotsman
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| veggieboy wrote: | | explorerJC wrote: | | awildt wrote: | As an engineer (a proper one with a degree and all ) - no there is no such thing as a new idea.
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i am sure that there are plenty of new ideas...getting them to have a practical value may be an issue |
Just ask Slogging Scotsman |
nah...a Tory and several bits of masonry can all vouch for his ideas... 
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| explorerJC wrote: | | veggieboy wrote: | | explorerJC wrote: | | awildt wrote: | As an engineer (a proper one with a degree and all ) - no there is no such thing as a new idea.
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i am sure that there are plenty of new ideas...getting them to have a practical value may be an issue |
Just ask Slogging Scotsman |
nah...a Tory and several bits of masonry can all vouch for his ideas... |
Even the Tory can't. Thatcher died a few years back
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Whisk wrote: | | Jorgan wrote: | | awildt wrote: | | As an engineer (a proper one with a degree and all ) |
Is that like an 'academic' doctor? |
I think that's as opposed to the "engineer" who comes and fixes the photocopier when it's not working
Whisk (an engineer with a degree who now works in the City for a bank ) |
I'm also a proper Engineer with an 'E' not an 'e'.
I was listening to a podcast today that suggested that some 1930s bikes had internal cabling.
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But, but, but... Triathlon Box!
That was definitely a new idea. The marketing said so.
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Some 'new ideas' from a 1987 race programme.
 
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Jorgan
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^^ I have a selection of late 80s/early 90s Tri mags stashed in the downstairs WC; they certainly did humour back then, almost un-PC at times. I don't read any of the stuff they produce these days.
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ironchimp wrote:
But, but, but... Triathlon Box!
That was definitely a new idea. The marketing said so.
now only £89.99 |
And banned in most race transitions, where they'd be most useful...
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