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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Symes wrote:
The 12 million metres came from a statement on Facebook, here it is in full for your viewing pleasure:

Hi world, we are alive and in Brazil, just. Quite literally, just.
The reason for radio silence on arrival in Brazil was to allow treatment and communication of injured crew to families, insurers and hospital and to check into port. I apologise for this and the communication issues with phone and trackers in The Atlantic. Power and storm issues did not help, nor did outright Iridium Go! Failure.
Since arriving in Brazil four days ago I have had the opportunity to directly review some of the comments and threads posted on Facebook over the last few months that I had only been informed of by the UK Land Support Team. Whilst the vast majority of comments are positive, there are some comments that uninformed individuals are making that are speculative, inaccurate and irresponsible to make on a public forum. I have addressed the majority of these over the past few weeks from the boat via the UK Land Support team but wish to reiterate them now in a final attempt to factually address the concerns of followers.
Charitable Funds
Comments have been made that charitable donated funds have been diverted to pay expedition costs, this is not true. The charities associated with STBB are clearly identified on the website and funds are donated to them through a link to each charities own ‘Just Giving’ page which is independent from STBB. At the moment I do not think it is possible determine how much has been generated for each charity from their association with STBB as opposed to their usual and on-going fundraising activities. This is something I will be examining with the charities concerned on my return to the UK and if it can be done I will publish the total sums raised. The only other source of funds for the charities is through the sale of hoodies, T.shirts etc. where the money is paid in to the STBB Paypal account, this is then transferred over to the charities ‘Just Giving’ pages by the UK Land Support Team.
It is worth recognising here that despite the spurious and false accusations of diverting charitable funds nobody associated with the charities concerned in an official capacity has raised any concerns publicly or privately about the possibility of this happening. To the individuals who claim to ‘know’ that this is happening I urge them to go to the proper authorities with their evidence and lets have a professional investigation of the facts rather than trial by slander and speculation.
‘STBB Ltd.’ legal status
STBB Ltd. is a UK private limited company registered and compliant with the regulations of Companies House which include submitting audited accounts for publication by them up to ten months after the end of the financial year. It is not, has never been and has no intention of becoming a charity in its own right. STBB Ltd. is the legal vehicle through which all the expedition expenses are paid from and income to it is predominantly in the form of loans from friends and family, sponsorship from a range of companies and public donations.
Whilst some of those loaning monies to the expedition have unilaterally chosen to go public with details of their business transaction I will not do so or comment upon the details as to do so is against good and sound business ethics and lowers me to their standard of behaviour.
As of now the company has a number of loans outstanding that are not due to be paid until May and no indication has been given by STBB Ltd that these will not be honoured. A number of smaller invoices are being challenged as no paper trail linking an official STBB Ltd. order to goods received can be found or the invoice appears inflated for the work undertaken.
The final cost of the expedition is still to be determined but will be in the region of £350 - £400k.
Damage to the S\V Big Blue
The sailing vessel Big Blue is of an ocean capable design and the construction, previous maintenance and current condition assessed by a registered boat surveyor as being fit for this purpose before it was purchased. With the 12 month delay for the expedition in 2015 the vessel was stored out of the water in the garden of the previous owner giving it an appearance of ‘chicken coop’ as previously commented upon by one person on Facebook. Upon getting the boat back into the water at Lowestoft further work was undertaken on the PV systems, instrumentation, safety equipment and adding the neccesary equipment such as a water maker for a voyage of this nature.
With the recruitment of the two professional sailors who undertook both the delivery and expedition a sea trails was undertaken which identified that: 1) the vessel was ocean capable and 2.) required some further work that was subsequently undertaken in the four week stop-over in Southampton and the various stop-overs along the delivery route to Dakar, Senegal.
Upon arrival in Dakar a full and comprehensive required maintenance schedule was prepared for the individual charged with managing this aspect of the expedition together with an expected timescale for it to be completed. The Skipper and First Mate were assured that this work had been undertaken and completed to the required standard.
Other individuals not associated with the expedition in Dakar and those expedition members with limited sailing knowledge and experience assessed the boat as unfit for ocean crossing, highlighting a number of areas for concern none of which subsequently broke or caused damage.
Uncharacteristic storms for this time of year for the route taken were encountered and damaged the vessel making the recovery of myself and the canoeist more time consuming and therefore more dangerous. At no time was the integrity of the vessel compromised and its ability to safely complete the journey was never in doubt. After the decision to cancel the swim was taken a sailing decision was taken by the Skipper in conjunction with the First Mate to continue to Brazil with the prevailing winds rather than take the shorter route back to Dakar or to the Cape Verdi in order to further protect the vessel.
The Skipper and First Mate with over 110,000 nautical miles experience between them have a legal responsibility to ensure the safety of the crew under their command and would not have set out on the delivery to Dakar or subsequently the expedition if they believed that the vessel was not capable of safely completing the voyage.
Personnel Issues
With an expedition of this nature a number of personnel changes are inevitable. With both investors and expedition crew alike, individual personalities, their likes and dislikes and changing perceptions of what they wanted out of it on both an individual and professional level created challenges to keep everybody positively engaged. We have seen through the various comments posted by these people (and more damaging by their friends who are commenting by proxy) that this has not always been possible and I would ask them and you to reflect on their motivation for some of their comments which could be seen as self justification for some of their behaviours.
Whilst I will not at this stage comment directly about individuals I will say some former crew left at short notice after generating a lot of good publicity and products for a new business they had established, some were dismissed for lying and incompetence and some left only three hours before the initial start time with no explanation causing maximum damage to the expedition.
Only they can account for their behaviour but finding spurious reasons to withdraw from the expedition to cover their true reason indicates a weakness of character.
Swim
Whilst I appreciate the advice of others telling me how I should have approached this world first swim the truth is nobody knows, precisely because it is a world first. Advice from others who have attempted marathon open water swimming will always be listened to although I retain the right to determine for myself how best to prepare for a feat of this nature but those who offer advice from an armchair or behind the safety of their computer should not be surprised if I chose to ignore them and rely upon my own relevant experience.
In spending three years preparing for this expedition I have already swam over 12 million metres in the swimming pool and open water, many times more than the 25,000 metres recommended by one helpful commentator or the suggestion that swimming the English Channel somehow validates my attempt to swim the Atlantic Ocean. Physically and mentally I was prepared for this swim and it was only a series of unconnected factors out of my control that caused the attempt to be abandoned.
In total I swam a little over 160 km or 5% of the total distance, survived a jelly fish sting that almost cost me my life (unconscious, partial paralysis, 80/40 blood pressure and renal failure concerns). After not swimming for four days on medical instruction following the attack I swam for the next three days before ten days of uncharacteristic storms damaged the boat as an effective swim support vessel for myself but importantly not the integrity of the vessel itself as a sailing yacht. The decision to abandon although discussed collectively and agreed upon unilaterally by both the sailing and swim support personnel on the vessel was ultimately taken by the Skipper on the grounds of safety for a member of the yachts crew compliment.I was distraught to say the least having invested my own funds and time into this too, and worse, felt I'd let my sponsors and charities and my daughter and followers down.
Both WOWSA and Guinness World Records have been advised of the decision to abandon the swim and the ships log and independent observers daily WOWSA swim reports have been submitted and will be available in due course.
I would like to thank the majority who have supported, cheered, encouraged me and my crew globally. I can only apologise for the emotive and outright hateful comments posted on Facebook and hope those individuals will reflect on their actions. My charities and daughter have followed this page and expedition, and I am sure have been affected by such comments. To my sponsors, investors and donors, and all the children/schools following me, thank you so much. Personally, the swim halting was both distressing and painful but I believe we will return and achieve the impossible of swimming every single mile of The Atlantic. Thank you all so much from the swim the big blue team and our charities.


This reeks of fraud.

I do not believe a single word expressed by this person.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He lost a lot of crew before it started....
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lost a few marbles too
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I've said before, I'm not one to armchair critique someone attempting something outrageously ambitious. We need people pushing boundaries.

But... something has just never been quite right with this....
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

£350-400K to swim 87 miles in 33 days.......... approximately £4.5K per mile Rolling Eyes

I feel sorry for those who donated money to fund this farce.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this seems more like it...

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/what-speedos-and-polar-bears-teach-us-about-the-lost-art-of-negotiating/?utm_content=buffer228d0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

am pleased to read that not only are they all home safely, but he has overcome death too...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gus wrote:
We need people pushing boundaries...
look at what happens when you do.....Shocked

Moving on so as not to derail this thread. Wink


I still think that the four minute mile was the best, prior to it was breached it was considered impossible, then all of a sudden within a year? More people were doing it. The impossible had become quite achievable.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
am pleased to read that not only are they all home safely, but he has overcome death too...


What, again? Whatta guy.

Bet he's got a good suntan and a large beer gut.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:
Gus wrote:
We need people pushing boundaries...
look at what happens when you do.....Shocked

Moving on so as not to derail this thread. Wink


I still think that the four minute mile was the best, prior to it was breached it was considered impossible, then all of a sudden within a year? More people were doing it. The impossible had become quite achievable.


Everest is another example of this. Ok, technology has played its part but even now, it's a commercial bimble for anyone to the summit, but 60+ years ago it was an international expedition to even get to base camp.

Several Sherpas have summited many times, running up and down the mountain like goats.
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http://dailynews.openwaterswimming.com/2017/03/ben-hooper-on-swimming-across-atlantic.html

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We are pleased to announce that Ben and his team have achieved the FIRST ever verified attempt to swim every single mile of The Atlantic Ocean. A huge thank you to all of our supporters, sponsors and friends and family. WOWSA have released the following statement:

"Ben Hooper, a British swimmer, attempted a solo stage swim from Dakar, Senegal to Natal, Brazil, starting on 13 November 2016. After 33 days traversing westward in the Atlantic Ocean in which Mr. Hooper swam a total of 18 days, the swim was abandoned on 15 December 2017.

During these 18 sessions in the Atlantic Ocean, Mr. Hooper swam a total of 160.6 km or 4.9% of the anticipated total distance, swimming under his own power. During his time in the water, Mr. Hooper swam in a single jammer shorts made of porous textile material, a pair of swimming goggles, a single latex swim cap on occasion, and a pair of earplugs. He did not wear fins, use a snorkel, or use any kind of neoprene wetsuit or headwear during his swim where he was accompanied by an escort boat "Big Blue" and guided by a single kayaker from Dakar, Senegal. Feeding during his time in the water adhered to standard English Channel swimming rules and the logistics of the stage swim adhered to standard World Open Water Swimming Association rules with the exception of the days where swimming was not safely possible due to turbulent conditions, unanticipated weather, medical/health issues, or boat technical problems.

His escort crew included Captain Nigel Taylor-Schofield (UK), Chief Mate Russell Sandbach (UK), Observer & Medic Pamela Mackie (UK), Support Crew Ophelie Vtn (France) and Kayaker Mamadou Sene (Senegal). After abandonment, all members of the unprecedented stage swimming expedition returned despite one injury safely to Fortaleaze, Brazil, January 8th 2017 and then subsequently returned safely to their homes in their respective countries. Mr. Hooper and his team anticipate a subsequent attempt to be made at a later date."

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SidSnot wrote:


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FIRST ever verified attempt to swim every single mile of The Atlantic Ocean.


Just lol, a mastery in double speak.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jgav wrote:
SidSnot wrote:


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FIRST ever verified attempt to swim every single mile of The Atlantic Ocean.


Just lol, a mastery in double speak.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK Im now the second person to attempt to swim the Atlantic Ocean. unfortunately today, the first day I succumbed to an issue and can no longer proceed. congratulations Hammerer on this attempt.

Anyone else fancy attempting this I may attempt the Pacific tomorrow. Who wants to join me
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hammerer wrote:
OK Im now the second person to attempt to swim the Atlantic Ocean. unfortunately today, the first day I succumbed to an issue and can no longer proceed. congratulations Hammerer on this attempt.

Anyone else fancy attempting this I may attempt the Pacific tomorrow. Who wants to join me


Sorry mate, one on the go at the moment - the first to swim every mile of the sea of tranquility (face mask optional)
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