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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My ride at the E2/25 did not go according to plan Sad

Rested up nicely, and arrived in perfect conditions for a fast ride - early times from the women's field showed it was running fast, however after warm up and as I was rolling towards the start heard that the event had been cancelled, rider knocked off by a car.

Air ambulance, multiple Police cars, laned coned off and a broken TT bike lying poignantly in the lane an hour after so I really feared the worst.

However news later in the evening that he had broken collar bone, ribs, shoulder and some nasty road rash but nothing life threatening. Hope he recovers strong.

Apparently first accident on the E2 that anyone can remember, certainly before 2000 and I do find the E2 one of the safer DC courses, apparently the nearby Duxford airshow had brought a lot more traffic out than usual, which may have contributed.



Went home and Turbo'd. Sad


I was one of the last starters at number 71, held up a bit with the traffic filtering down from 3 lanes to 2 but in truth I had a shocker. Rode 55.33 which is my 3rd fastest time on that course (was the slightly longer variant too with the finish higher up the sliproad due to timekeeper preference) but recorded my lowest AP for a 25 at just 276W. That's 30W less than at Etwall riding 54.10 9 weeks ago. I've not raced enough this season or trained enough recently as my Dad's been in hospital and I felt as weak as a kitten.

I need to sort my s*** quickly as still hoping to single carriageway PB at 25, 30 and 50 distance before the end of the season.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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TRO Saracen wrote:
My ride at the E2/25 did not go according to plan Sad

Rested up nicely, and arrived in perfect conditions for a fast ride - early times from the women's field showed it was running fast, however after warm up and as I was rolling towards the start heard that the event had been cancelled, rider knocked off by a car.

Air ambulance, multiple Police cars, laned coned off and a broken TT bike lying poignantly in the lane an hour after so I really feared the worst.

However news later in the evening that he had broken collar bone, ribs, shoulder and some nasty road rash but nothing life threatening. Hope he recovers strong.

Apparently first accident on the E2 that anyone can remember, certainly before 2000 and I do find the E2 one of the safer DC courses, apparently the nearby Duxford airshow had brought a lot more traffic out than usual, which may have contributed.



Went home and Turbo'd. Sad


I was one of the last starters at number 71, held up a bit with the traffic filtering down from 3 lanes to 2 but in truth I had a shocker. Rode 55.33 which is my 3rd fastest time on that course (was the slightly longer variant too with the finish higher up the sliproad due to timekeeper preference) but recorded my lowest AP for a 25 at just 276W. That's 30W less than at Etwall riding 54.10 9 weeks ago. I've not raced enough this season or trained enough recently as my Dad's been in hospital and I felt as weak as a kitten.

I need to sort my s*** quickly as still hoping to single carriageway PB at 25, 30 and 50 distance before the end of the season.

NT Sad Sad


Are you targeting any other events on the E2 NT? I haven't ridden a 25 yet and fancy an end of season hit out on a fast course.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Club 10 last night.

Decent conditions, well up for giving it a tickle so did a thorough 30 min warm up and rolled to the start.

Did not start well as I had a badly timed car and had to slow to a virtual halt after just 10meters. Couple of miles in I was barrelling down a sweeping descent at about 35mph and hit some debris.

Gave it a huge clatter, did pretty well to stay onboard but front Tub went immediately flat. Then I had quite an exciting few seconds trying to scrub the speed off while staying on the road round this sweeping descent, could feel the flat tub rolling under the bike.

Then the trundle of shame back to HQ with everyone else piling past....

Them's the breaks....
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

newarktricky wrote:
V718 14/4/17 20:54 TRO Saracen Winner G Fox 18:13
V718 14/6/17 20.55 newarktricky Winner N Latimer 19.25
Q10/19 06/5/17 21:10 TriSam Winner ???
A10/19 25/05/17 22:28 Aquazepp1 Winner R Bowditch 20:45
H10/17R 21/06/17 23:17 Oranj Winner T. Allen 20:36
H10/8 27/05/17 23:31 stenard Winner P. Wright 19:34
G10/42 22/04/17 26:25 Wheezy Winner L. Maybank / P. Wright 19:57
V314 14/05/17 26:46 Chrace Winner D Bramley 22:06
WW10/01 12/7/17 22:05 Sopworth Winner J Archibald 19:08


I did my first open 10 on Wednesday and came in at 22:05, which is pretty much where I thought I'd be. The winner, John Archibald (younger brother of track and road medalist Kate) won by almost 40 seconds on second place! Im pretty sure he has the Scottish National 10 and 25 titles this season.

I finally got under 22 mins the night before on the club 10 with a 21:44 - which i'm absolutely delighted with for my first season of TT'ing. I also posted a 25m PB the week before with a 55:28.

I need to concentrate on running and swimming for a bit as I'm doing my first triathlon a week on Sunday and my first Tri in 3 years. Loving doing TT this year and would defo recommend them for any triathlete as they are perfect for getting bike speed up. I'm doing the scottish national 50 in August and a 2 and 4 up TTT's in August, too. Happy days - just need to tap the wife up for a power meter now!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sopworth wrote:
newarktricky wrote:
V718 14/4/17 20:54 TRO Saracen Winner G Fox 18:13
V718 14/6/17 20.55 newarktricky Winner N Latimer 19.25
Q10/19 06/5/17 21:10 TriSam Winner ???
A10/19 25/05/17 22:28 Aquazepp1 Winner R Bowditch 20:45
H10/17R 21/06/17 23:17 Oranj Winner T. Allen 20:36
H10/8 27/05/17 23:31 stenard Winner P. Wright 19:34
G10/42 22/04/17 26:25 Wheezy Winner L. Maybank / P. Wright 19:57
V314 14/05/17 26:46 Chrace Winner D Bramley 22:06
WW10/01 12/7/17 22:05 Sopworth Winner J Archibald 19:08


I did my first open 10 on Wednesday and came in at 22:05, which is pretty much where I thought I'd be. The winner, John Archibald (younger brother of track and road medalist Kate) won by almost 40 seconds on second place! Im pretty sure he has the Scottish National 10 and 25 titles this season.

I finally got under 22 mins the night before on the club 10 with a 21:44 - which i'm absolutely delighted with for my first season of TT'ing. I also posted a 25m PB the week before with a 55:28.


That's awesome Sopworth. Chapeau.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wheezy wrote:
newarktricky wrote:
TRO Saracen wrote:
My ride at the E2/25 did not go according to plan Sad

Rested up nicely, and arrived in perfect conditions for a fast ride - early times from the women's field showed it was running fast, however after warm up and as I was rolling towards the start heard that the event had been cancelled, rider knocked off by a car.

Air ambulance, multiple Police cars, laned coned off and a broken TT bike lying poignantly in the lane an hour after so I really feared the worst.

However news later in the evening that he had broken collar bone, ribs, shoulder and some nasty road rash but nothing life threatening. Hope he recovers strong.

Apparently first accident on the E2 that anyone can remember, certainly before 2000 and I do find the E2 one of the safer DC courses, apparently the nearby Duxford airshow had brought a lot more traffic out than usual, which may have contributed.



Went home and Turbo'd. Sad


I was one of the last starters at number 71, held up a bit with the traffic filtering down from 3 lanes to 2 but in truth I had a shocker. Rode 55.33 which is my 3rd fastest time on that course (was the slightly longer variant too with the finish higher up the sliproad due to timekeeper preference) but recorded my lowest AP for a 25 at just 276W. That's 30W less than at Etwall riding 54.10 9 weeks ago. I've not raced enough this season or trained enough recently as my Dad's been in hospital and I felt as weak as a kitten.

I need to sort my s*** quickly as still hoping to single carriageway PB at 25, 30 and 50 distance before the end of the season.

NT Sad Sad


Are you targeting any other events on the E2 NT? I haven't ridden a 25 yet and fancy an end of season hit out on a fast course.


Probably the re-run of this event on Sun 27th Aug or the Team Velovelocity event 3rd Sept. The former is early on a sun morning so much more of a pain logistically whereas the latter would be much easier but is the day before the LRRA 30 I want to ride too.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit of an update: secured a long time target with a sub 4 100 - 3:58:30, and a club record on B100/4 on Sunday.

I'd messed up on THE day on E2/100 - blinding fast course, perfect conditions, records falling all over the show and I rode badly (later discovered some brake rub but was still off on power). So came into this a bit angry and very focussed.

Slower course than E2 (my 25's are about 2 mins slower on these roads than E2), and conditions far from perfect and I was off the pace (but on power) at halfway. Assumed this would be another near miss to go into the collection but noticed that although power was still steady pace was picking up in the third quarter and I was starting to claw back some pace.

Final 25 miles I dropped the hammer, found another 10 or watts, rode at 26.5 mph and bagged the elephant. 5th overall, also nice.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

V718 14/4/17 20:54 TRO Saracen Winner G Fox 18:13
V718 14/6/17 20.55 newarktricky Winner N Latimer 19.25
Q10/19 06/5/17 21:10 TriSam Winner ???
WW10/01 12/7/17 22:05 Sopworth Winner J Archibald 19:08
A10/19 25/05/17 22:28 Aquazepp1 Winner R Bowditch 20:45
G10/57 19/07/2017 23:06 PhilleusPhogg Winner Paul Haywood 21:50
H10/17R 21/06/17 23:17 Oranj Winner T. Allen 20:36
H10/8 27/05/17 23:31 stenard Winner P. Wright 19:34
G10/42 22/04/17 26:25 Wheezy Winner L. Maybank / P. Wright 19:57
V314 14/05/17 26:46 Chrace Winner D Bramley 22:06

Opened my 10 mile account for the year last night. 23:06 in fairly dire conditions. Very strong headwind up to the turn and that seemed to reflect in the fastest of our club riders being about 45-50s off previous recent runs on this course.

Overall pretty happy, since I was much closer to them than previously so maybe this might've been a low 22 on a good day on that course.

However the ride itself was tough - had brilliant legs in the warm up and took the first hill a bit quick. Was averaging about 317W for the first 3 mins, against an overall average of 280W - I had to back off into a couple of roundabouts just to get the breath back.

Overall I just don't think I put the power out efficiently enough. The whole effort felt very choppy/scrappy, lots of small changes in gear meant I never got into a rhythm and seemed to be ping pong between 300W and 270W, and the cadence felt all over the place too.

Any tips for smoother runs in future? I think probably patience is the main thing, sticking to the target power and not trying to claw back average speed by pushing too hard. I'm interested about how you guys think about gear changes to keep cadence steady - do you even bother, or just try to absorb changes in gradient by grinding/spinning them out?

Interestingly the guy who did high 21s had the same av. power, so shows I've got a way to go on the aero front too (assuming the readings are at least in the same ball-park!)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRO Saracen wrote:
Bit of an update: secured a long time target with a sub 4 100 - 3:58:30, and a club record on B100/4 on Sunday.

I'd messed up on THE day on E2/100 - blinding fast course, perfect conditions, records falling all over the show and I rode badly (later discovered some brake rub but was still off on power). So came into this a bit angry and very focussed.

Slower course than E2 (my 25's are about 2 mins slower on these roads than E2), and conditions far from perfect and I was off the pace (but on power) at halfway. Assumed this would be another near miss to go into the collection but noticed that although power was still steady pace was picking up in the third quarter and I was starting to claw back some pace.

Final 25 miles I dropped the hammer, found another 10 or watts, rode at 26.5 mph and bagged the elephant. 5th overall, also nice.


Chapeau on this - very strong!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRO: well done on the sub 4. I always thought there must be something quite strange about wanting to do a 100tt but I'm oddly drawn to one next season.
There are some great results on this forum - well done guys!
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[quote="TRO Saracen"]Bit of an update: secured a long time target with a sub 4 100 - 3:58:30, and a club record on B100/4 on Sunday.

I'd messed up on THE day on E2/100 - blinding fast course, perfect conditions, records falling all over the show and I rode badly (later discovered some brake rub but was still off on power). So came into this a bit angry and very focussed.

Slower course than E2 (my 25's are about 2 mins slower on these roads than E2), and conditions far from perfect and I was off the pace (but on power) at halfway. Assumed this would be another near miss to go into the collection but noticed that although power was still steady pace was picking up in the third quarter and I was starting to claw back some pace.

Final 25 miles I dropped the hammer, found another 10 or watts, rode at 26.5 mph and bagged the elephant. 5th overall, also nice.[/quote

Well done, great ride! The thought of doing 100 miles on some of the sh1te road surfaces on that section of the A11 would fill me with dread. Once during the national 25 last year was bad enough let alone 4 laps of it!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilleusPhogg wrote:


Any tips for smoother runs in future? I think probably patience is the main thing, sticking to the target power and not trying to claw back average speed by pushing too hard. I'm interested about how you guys think about gear changes to keep cadence steady - do you even bother, or just try to absorb changes in gradient by grinding/spinning them out?

Interestingly the guy who did high 21s had the same av. power, so shows I've got a way to go on the aero front too (assuming the readings are at least in the same ball-park!)


I don't even have power on display. It's a time trial not a power trial and for 10miles it is go go go for the whole thing. Look at the current speed and average speed and do all you can to keep this as high as possible whilst remembering that it is a 20-something duration effort. I tend to stick in whatever gear gives the best speed and deal with whatever cadence that brings.

The pacing for this will come with time
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well done, great ride! The thought of doing 100 miles on some of the sh1te road surfaces on that section of the A11 would fill me with dread. Once during the national 25 last year was bad enough let alone 4 laps of it!

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Thanks - it actually got better as it went on. Knew the roads were rough so had everything taped, double layer on armpads etc. To be honest picking a line through was a bit of a distraction from the 100 itself, and after 4 laps you get better/more familiar with each section. Although there were a couple that got me every time....

For real suffering in 2014 I did a 12 hour on the H roads (A31). That Chawton (?) section is evil - way worse than A11, and there is no way to pick any sort of line. It was agony by the end - I was trying a horse riding 'rising trot' style by the end to try and lift my inflamed aris off the saddle timed to each pothole.

While applying copious antiseptic cream later my wife observed 'you appear to have 4 now....' Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Mad

Wrecked 2-3 weeks of my season recovering; I know a couple of guys who did it who did not ride again that season. Also ditched the Adamo saddle and made a ridiculously huge investment in a Dash (which has been much better) after.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

V718 14/4/17 20:54 TRO Saracen Winner G Fox 18:13
V718 14/6/17 20.55 newarktricky Winner N Latimer 19.25
Q10/19 06/5/17 21:10 TriSam Winner ???
WW10/01 12/7/17 22:05 Sopworth Winner J Archibald 19:08
A10/19 25/05/17 22:28 Aquazepp1 Winner R Bowditch 20:45
G10/57 24/06/17 22:41 Caesar Winner C McNamara 20:08
G10/57 19/07/2017 23:06 PhilleusPhogg Winner Paul Haywood 21:50
H10/17R 21/06/17 23:17 Oranj Winner T. Allen 20:36
H10/8 27/05/17 23:31 stenard Winner P. Wright 19:34
G10/42 22/04/17 26:25 Wheezy Winner L. Maybank / P. Wright 19:57
V314 14/05/17 26:46 Chrace Winner D Bramley 22:06

3 tens so far this season, all on the G10/57. First two a bit meh, latest one was my first with the osymetric 56 and was a bit better, averaged an extra 25W or so over the previous two. The 56 definitely helped on the downhills towards the finish because I seem to work better at lower cadence in TT now, compared to previous years. I've just dropped the saddle on my road bike and it feels better so going to try the same on TT bike next.
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