China v Britain like Scotland v England

SloggingScotsman · Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 2865

Gus

Thank you.

I will therefore keep this in mind.
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Gus · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:30 am Post subject:

SloggingScotsman · Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 2865

Ejc

Ineffective communicator, I can live with that.

Re targets, a few years back amongst the resignations and whistleblowers it was widely reported.

1. The government says that there are no targets, or quotas. Just fair assessments.

2. Doctors said that’s not what they are told and risk loosing the jobs if they didn’t fail a certain number of people in a week, regardless of their medical condition. At least one doctor resigned because of this and went public. It’s perhaps one reason why they have struggled to recruit doctors and now mainly use physiotherapists etc. It’s a matter of ethics, doctors ethics being different to government ethics.

3. Jobcentre whistleblowers have said similar re sanctions, if you don’t sanction enough you get disciplined, so arguably and reportedly they have to look for easy which tend to be vulnerable people to sanction.

4. The government of course deny all of this. When it was in the press there was a ‘war of words’ on when a target wasn’t a target etc.

The end result is that (and this is even before you look at government errors eg giving wrong dates on appointment letters which I have had personallly) if a staff member is concerned about his performance management, keeping his or her job may take priority. According to whistleblowers.

Now I give you some may have axes to grind etc, but a doctor, he just could not stomach failing people for no proper medical reason beyond his government appointed employer motivating him to do so so that their ‘target’ could be met.

It’s all in press archives.

Anyhow time to get back to the topic in hand. China’s official policy is now effectively to rule the world within our lifetimes. How do you think that America will react? China is also talking about the disgrace of the opium wars and I guess hence the dislike for Britain. Eeek. (Source south China morning post app)
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Gus · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:42 am Post subject:

On the Conservatives thing... I'm actually starting to get really worried. Contrary to what I've stated before, I'm starting to really believe Corbyn may get into power. I never thought this could happen but the Tories seem to be hell-bent on self-destruction. That last election was a first symptom of a greater mental illness within the party.

The handling of Brexit has just been utterly shocking. May's mismanagement of the Cabinet has been embarrassing. Keeping Hammond, Rudd and the other 'remainers' there has sown division and uncertainty. Might've thought it was a great idea so all sides of the debate were represented, in reality it's just meant constant in-fighting and undermining of any position she's tried to hold. In theory having all views represented in a cabinet is a good thing. In practice, particularly over an issue so passionately divisive, it's a disaster.

I often wonder if it's a complete bloody conspiracy to let Corbyn in - nobody could be that incompetent, surely?

We'll get our Brexit (hopefully) but because she's clearly approaching the negotiation so schizophrenically she's going to end up with a really bad deal especially as the wretched remainers do everything they can to undermine our position at every turn. As a result, I (and so many other grass-roots Tories) will not forgive her or her party and, by default, in swings Corbyn. You only need to see the comments sections of any Tory press to get a flavour of the hatred she's generated against the Tory party now amongst it's formerly loyal followers.

God help us all if Corbyn and his Momentum brown shirts take over.
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SloggingScotsman · Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 2865

SloggingScotsman · Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 2865

Gus

You are seeing reality Smile

You may well legally get your Brexit, but I seriously doubt you will in reality.

Let me explain.

There is an accounting term ‘substance over form’, the reality over the legality. It’s a huge issue in corporate accounts.

It’s also a huge issue in government. You may well get something that legally looks good (Brexit) but probably won’t be that in reality (still paying in, still keeping the rules etc, but without the say).

If Brexit does happen, before you pop the champagne corks just look at it’s substsance and ask yourself....ok we have legally brexited, but have we in substance.
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Gus · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:59 am Post subject:

SloggingScotsman · Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 2865

Gus

Just look at the detail and the reality. Audit it.

And if you and your pals celebrate at a Brexit that isn’t they ask yourself why?

We need more politicians who are straightforward with people.
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explorerJC · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 15655 Location: Farthingstone

SloggingScotsman · Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 2865

Gus, Ejc

If you celebrate a Brexit that isn’t (in substance) does that not equate a bit like to me deciding to get an IM tattoo when I only got half way there? It’s nonsense.

It’s a bit like old finance leases, for the accountants here. Form without substance is pure presentation to look good.

Gus, Ejc encore

You may be interested to know that the ‘movements’ you noted can also be exploited, by the right person. It’s one of those things that many claim they can do but you don’t really see the evidence. I stumbled across this once by accident, though without the resources of gchq I can’t check it. However this has given me an insight as to what may be possible. And which others claim that they can do. Though auditing what is publicly available is near impossible.

Now what could the right person, potential exploit re movements:-

1. The motivations of the people coming and going
2. Their home locations (harder and may only be applicable to specific types of people)
3. Connections with others.

Some viewers have published this sort of work, so spooks probably know whether it is accurate of not, but I can only go from what I know first hand (given I can’t audit and verify those sessions).

But it is certainly possible to look at images and gain bang on accurate information. What I don’t know yet is whether it is by pure luck and chance, or whether there are patterns that can be developed.

The issues:-

1. Is it any more than chance luck?
2. If there are valuable patterns what are they?
3. Why, why, why, this person and those photos and not others?
4. So if you get to the stage that you find the patterns and keys to access, you are still left with the problems of usefulness as those may not be useful in any practical manner.

That all said it is an interesting area to explore, even after a couple of years research. I have a handle on some of the keys, but am still a long way away from usefulness.
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mattsurf · Joined: 28 Sep 2016 Posts: 533 Location: Zug, Switzerland

Having recently moved out the UK to Switzerland, watching Brexit and the UK political system implode is rather like watching a car crash

Brexit will take one of 3 forms. The first scenario “uncontrolled Brexit” is where the politicians on both sides refuse to move, this is entirely possible. David Davis says that the exit will be negotiated at 1 minute to midnight…. But what if it isn’t? What will happen on 29th March 2019? Could it be that British people at airports have to apply for visas to travel to Europe or parts of Europe? These details will be resolved within a couple of months of Brexit, but it could be chaos. Then comes the flow of goods, I am considering buying a Landrover in Switzerland… but should I? Will Landrover dealers in Europe go out of business after Brexit, after all, nobody knows how much duty they will have to pay on a British made car, and this is already impacting buying decisions in Europe. For me this is the worst possible outcome, and to make matters even worse, Jeremy Corbyn will win the election,

The second scenario is the fudge, Brexit happens, but doesn’t happen, there is some vague transitional arrangement, just enough for politicians over here to save face, but bad enough for EU politicians to show that the UK isn’t getting a good deal. Economically the deal will be worse than we have today, and will be accompanied with a huge bill, there may be some nominal curbs on migration and some dubious deal on the legal system. It will all be rather sad and pathetic, but life will go on. The sad transition deal will hang over successive governments for many years, with continuous tinkering but very little change as there will be no appetite on either side to come back to negotiations. Neither Brexiteers or Remainers will be happy and the Tories will lose the election.

There is a third (terrifying) option, and probably the only option where the Conservatives will win the next election. In this option the government walks away from negotiations in Jan / Feb 2018, and unilaterally states how much it is prepared to pay the EU, how it will handle migration and how it will handle transition of legal powers, the UK will kick out a load of EU workers (most of whom are leaving anyway as their employers are leaving the UK), and the EU will respond likewise. UK companies then have 12 months to setup functions to deal with customers and exports. We will get visibility of what level of export duty we will pay, UK consumers will also get some heads up for an increase in prices as we will pay import duty on EU goods. Maybe this “managed” non-negotiated exit will work well, maybe it will be a complete disaster, we all have opinions, but honestly no one knows:

I am a passionate remain supporter, however, I am beginning to feel that the non-negotiated exit is probably the best option, as long as the decision is made in the next few months; it will be brutal in the short term, and after that no one knows, but it does have the advantage that we can start to get ready while we are still part of the EU. I also feel that this strategy will divide Europe, which also has some advantages. Unfortunately this strategy requires unity in the current government

explorerJC · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 15655 Location: Farthingstone

or the fourth option where we realise that we didn't need visas to travel to many countries before the EU, that we were all quite capable of making rational decisions before the EU and that we could all take responsibility for our actions before the EU and can continue to do so afterwards
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