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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This DUP arrangement is a bit of a bind isn't it Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole thing is a complete clusterf*ck.

Jeezus, and to think out of 70 million people this bunch of jokers is the best we could come up with to lead us.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

However, on the bright side, there's only 18 days until Christmas.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This DUP arrangement is a bit of a bind isn't it Laughing


when the alternative is corbyn, i suppose it's a tough choice...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



Well, there's a sellout if ever there was one. U.K. To maintain regulatory alignment in the absence of an agreement with Ireland. At face value this significantly impedes the chances of negotiating FTAs with other countries.

Who'd have guessed we have a remainer in charge🙄
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, there's a sellout if ever there was one. U.K. To maintain regulatory alignment in the absence of an agreement with Ireland. At face value this significantly impedes the chances of negotiating FTAs with other countries.

Who'd have guessed we have a remainer in charge🙄


this is a toughie...but how hard is it to have free borders without all the waste that is the EU?

Sadly, the risk of a return to violence is also a key driver...it is a strange world that protects those who use this as a threat....a bit like the ME this week...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As expected, it's a fudge.

Weasel word 'alignment' is basically saying we'll adopt EU rules/regs unless we can find another way of.... achieving the same.

She sold us down the river as we all knew she would. Not just 'sold us', but actually paid them 60m+ to humiliate us.

The only chance the Tories have at the next election of surviving is if Corbyn self-destructs. That ain't going to happen so they will cling on and not hold the GE until the last possible moment hoping for a miracle...

My predicted scenario is they'll ditch May as the scapegoat once the fudged deal is agreed, then replace her with Johnson (or whoever), in the hope the successor can somehow win back the lost Tory support.

I doubt they'll succeed, though. I'll certainly not vote for them again, even though I know that means a Corbyn Government and reading the comments sections in all the Tory press it's clear the grass-root anger is similarly deeply entrenched and will last a very long time.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tbh Gus, Brexit was a good idea in theory, but in practice it was always going to be a real compromise when it came into contact with the realities of global politics; which is really the main reason why I didn't vote to Leave: because I hadn't been convinced enough they could deliver on the rhetoric.

Held to ransom by the DUP after the disasterous GE, having to humour Trump as a result of needing a good trade deal with the US; the Govt is on a tightrope for sure.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gus wrote:
As expected, it's a fudge.

Weasel word 'alignment' is basically saying we'll adopt EU rules/regs unless we can find another way of.... achieving the same.

She sold us down the river as we all knew she would. Not just 'sold us', but actually paid them 60m+ to humiliate us.

The only chance the Tories have at the next election of surviving is if Corbyn self-destructs. That ain't going to happen so they will cling on and not hold the GE until the last possible moment hoping for a miracle...
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i am not sure anyone could/would have done differently....the whole nation is against her.....Extreme brexiters don't get what they wanted and so and anti May.

The only people who get what they now want are the Remoaners...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep - the sad thing is it was all inevitable.

We dared to dream when we actually won the referendum (against the odds and expectations) but 'the establishment' always gets its way in the end.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i am not sure anyone could/would have done differently....the whole nation is against her....


May is in a no-win situation; but yeah that could have been anyone. The UK could have 'ripped the Band Aid clean off' I suppose, but I'm not sure which pragmatic politician would have done that given serious consideration.

Corbyn would be loved/loathed in equal measure I suppose.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gus wrote:
Yep - the sad thing is it was all inevitable.

We dared to dream when we actually won the referendum (against the odds and expectations) but 'the establishment' always gets its way in the end.

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all very conservative from the 'rebels'
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
explorerJC wrote:

i am not sure anyone could/would have done differently....the whole nation is against her....


May is in a no-win situation; but yeah that could have been anyone. The UK could have 'ripped the Band Aid clean off' I suppose, but I'm not sure which pragmatic politician would have done that given serious consideration.

Corbyn would be loved/loathed in equal measure I suppose.


as some of us have already discovered, you can't run a capitalist system from a socialist position....they will have to be more Bliar than they would care for...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only people who get what they now want are the Remoaners...


I can assure you JC, that as an ardent remoaner this is far from what I want. Yes, it seems a pretty soft Brexit at the moment, but there is still a hell of a lot to be negotiated; this is not over by a long chalk. I think the next decade could be very bumpy for us as a country, because basically, no one is happy or likely to be.

I think I'm just going to hole up in my turbo dungeon for the foreseeable future.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wheezy wrote:
I think I'm just going to hole up in my turbo dungeon for the foreseeable future.


Thats the problem with so many of the self-confessed Guardian reading Remoaners.

Rather than getting out there and helping the UK succeed, you'd rather hide under a rock, not contribute and hope the UK collapses so you can say you were right all along - and then suddenly realise you've dug your own grave and are going down with the rest of the ship Very Happy
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