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JeffB




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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gingerbongo wrote:
Suffering with the same, though after London mara and not an IM. Cue a long ramble/waffle ...

Big training block at the end of last summer for an ambitious November half. Got bad D&V the weekend before which wrecked me for a few days and subsequently missed my target.

Trained like a demon all winter, huge mileage and a huge commitment with a very ambitious target. Picked up a knee niggle a few weeks before London. Cross trained for the last couple of weeks but was confident there was enough in the tank and it shouldn't have had a detrimental effect on my training load, and the knee seemed to be better.

Ran London and the knee didn't want to play past half way. Crawled it in as it was my first ever London so wanted to try to make the most of the experience still. So again, a big build, tough target and another failure.

Had a very hilly 100km a few weeks after London, so took it easy and saw the physio. Started that feeling good, but the knee wasn't playing again a couple of hours in. Probably shouldn't have, but popped a few painkillers and that sorted me out for the rest of the day. Really enjoyed a super event, stress free as was only a 'challeneg' and not a race.

Took 4 weeks off running completely - the longest gap i've had in the 5 or so years since i started tri/running . Tried to decompress the brain and body and recover. That was the mid June and i'm still struggling with mojo big time. I get a couple of runs under my belt, think things are starting to come together and then get a major case of CBA again.

I seem to be struggling to get out to run on my own, which i've never had a problem with before. Preferring to just chill and eat and drink at home instead. Then every few weeks i put a nice big run in with friends to keep the fitness and ego topped up. The knee seems to be behaving, touch wood, just permanently aches now and also swaps between the two. I think i probably cause a bit of long term damage with the high mileage at the start of the year so i'll monitor and play it by ear.

I've got the Welsh 3000s tomorrow that i have been super excited about for months, though i'm not in great shape. I have no concerns about getting around, but it won't be as comfortable as it could be. I think i have had this and the knee problems in the back of mind all the time and perhaps my brain has been playing a little protectionist game and not letting me get carried away and risking missing this trip.

I don't know if the lack of mojo is just from a really tough autumn and winter and the body and mind needs a rest or if the (perceived) failure at my two target events are having a deeper impact. I think i'm also worried that if i start ramping up the training my body will give out again and that'll cruch me a little bit. So maybe my sub conscious is doing that protection job again? Who knows.

I'm trying to plan what to do next year at the moment, with the hope that once i settle on my 'A' race - one of a few 100 milers that i fancy - i can start to focus. I love the process of building a plan as much as implementing it. So i'm hopng that'll help. I also prefer training through the winter as there are less distractions. But we'll see i guess.

I'm trying to not think about it too much, and convincing myself that the body and mind are craving this rest so just let them have it ... for now. Then build up and go from there.

Apologies for the big brain dump, but hoping it may help me clarify my thoughts a little!


Sounds like the Welsh 3000's were good GB.

Although I'd rather have not missed most of this season under my circumstances (illness & injury) I'm really not missing the heavy IM training and actually not feeling as tired every day now which is pleasant. I've started some light training and a very small bit of running, but any races this year will be complete, albeit quite frustrating when you'd hope to be a bit further forward.

But, I've also learned how relax a bit more and am almost enjoying some parts of it.

I can't see myself do another IM for a year or two at least, although there are a few races I'd still like to do and want to have what I think is a decent day at Bolton (after 2 bad ones and a DNS).

I'd keep doing your enjoyable races for the time being, I did some of the fell classics last year as a change and they were brilliant, I actually just turned up with the aim of finishing in one piece and wasn't bothered where I actually finished or the time.

Also, if you get chance I'd just go out on your bike for an easy ride now and then, and if you know anyone who is doing IM Wales I'd consider going to watch and cheer them on if you can, although I know it is a bit of a trek, I went to Bolton and it is quite inspiring watching people whose aim is to finish within the cut-off and the feeling of achievement they get.

Whereas we tend to be quite target focussed, both us turned ourselves inside out earlier this year looking for a sub 3 at London, you suffered with injury and I didn't even start. But I'd ran myself into the ground physically and mentally, and TBH, if I hadn't got ill I could have probably done half the mileage I'd done and finished in 3:10 or less, but if you don't try you never know, I've not given up on sub-3 but I'll need to train a bit cleverer than this year.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tin Pot wrote:
Baby Tin Pot arrived this morning at 09:59 Smile


So I skipped bike training Wink


Congratulations Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: Life after Ironman Reply with quote

Tin Pot wrote:
Bolton is my second and final hurrah as far as Ironman goes for the foreseeable future Smile

We welcome into the world out third child on July 28th, so I'm not expecting to want to put in huge hours anymore. Smile

I also start with a new client on July 18th, so summer will be hectic!

I do hope to stay in triathlon and move down to short course, low training hours, maybe even try to get fast on the run. Again.

Any tips on transitioning down to short course/staying in the loop on minimal hours?

I've got an olympic at Hever in September again, may do a little structured training for it. Maybe do some local sprints/olympics next year if it suits us.


oir daughter is 16months and Iíve struggled to cover my wife (shes studying, im self employed) to look after the baby as well as work etc and then find spare time to train. I was never a heavy trainer. I did 13hr/week av when i got up to sub9 IM and 12hr/week for DIM. Ultra running brought it down to 9-11hr/week. Now im struggling to do 5-6hr/week!
Important thing is to make it quality training (gym time especially to strengthen the core and do some monitored intervals). Also, as mentioned, if you are v competitive like me then suck it up and accept you need to do short distance. Im sticking to parkruns, and local 5-10km, aqua, duath ths year.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:10 am    Post subject: Re: Life after Ironman Reply with quote

Daz wrote:
Tin Pot wrote:
Bolton is my second and final hurrah as far as Ironman goes for the foreseeable future Smile

We welcome into the world out third child on July 28th, so I'm not expecting to want to put in huge hours anymore. Smile

I also start with a new client on July 18th, so summer will be hectic!

I do hope to stay in triathlon and move down to short course, low training hours, maybe even try to get fast on the run. Again.

Any tips on transitioning down to short course/staying in the loop on minimal hours?

I've got an olympic at Hever in September again, may do a little structured training for it. Maybe do some local sprints/olympics next year if it suits us.


oir daughter is 16months and Iíve struggled to cover my wife (shes studying, im self employed) to look after the baby as well as work etc and then find spare time to train. I was never a heavy trainer. I did 13hr/week av when i got up to sub9 IM and 12hr/week for DIM. Ultra running brought it down to 9-11hr/week. Now im struggling to do 5-6hr/week!
Important thing is to make it quality training (gym time especially to strengthen the core and do some monitored intervals). Also, as mentioned, if you are v competitive like me then suck it up and accept you need to do short distance. Im sticking to parkruns, and local 5-10km, aqua, duath ths year.


Iím liking spending more time at home, but I am on less ham six hrs per week at the moment.

I signed up for a middle which is going to be interesting, and already dreaming of a full again. Itís frustrating both ways, as Id like to focus on short stuff, but the allure of Ironman is tough to ignore.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Life after Ironman Reply with quote

Tin Pot wrote:
Daz wrote:
Tin Pot wrote:
Bolton is my second and final hurrah as far as Ironman goes for the foreseeable future Smile

We welcome into the world out third child on July 28th, so I'm not expecting to want to put in huge hours anymore. Smile

I also start with a new client on July 18th, so summer will be hectic!

I do hope to stay in triathlon and move down to short course, low training hours, maybe even try to get fast on the run. Again.

Any tips on transitioning down to short course/staying in the loop on minimal hours?

I've got an olympic at Hever in September again, may do a little structured training for it. Maybe do some local sprints/olympics next year if it suits us.


oir daughter is 16months and Iíve struggled to cover my wife (shes studying, im self employed) to look after the baby as well as work etc and then find spare time to train. I was never a heavy trainer. I did 13hr/week av when i got up to sub9 IM and 12hr/week for DIM. Ultra running brought it down to 9-11hr/week. Now im struggling to do 5-6hr/week!
Important thing is to make it quality training (gym time especially to strengthen the core and do some monitored intervals). Also, as mentioned, if you are v competitive like me then suck it up and accept you need to do short distance. Im sticking to parkruns, and local 5-10km, aqua, duath ths year.


Iím liking spending more time at home, but I am on less ham six hrs per week at the moment.

I signed up for a middle which is going to be interesting, and already dreaming of a full again. Itís frustrating both ways, as Id like to focus on short stuff, but the allure of Ironman is tough to ignore.


Ha completely feeling it with you. Itís very frustrating. You question how you can only do 6hrs in a week....out of 168hrs. But the reality is every hr is used up. Before the baby came along there was a lot of space to train, and even more importantly the ability to get a decent nights sleep without interuptions 😄.
One thing im going to try and phase in next few weeks is on majority of nights going to bed 9pm. Then waking 5am to get training in. The hardest bit obviously is not having the extra time in evening to wind down. But the way I see it is Id be happier getting training done than atching trash TV. And means each day is then free for whatever is thrown at me (perhaps a bonus slot for a second sessio!).
Good luck. Hope it gets better. If the family donít get it, try telling them to think about what it would feel like not being able to watch TV ever again. 😳😅
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My daughter has just turned 2. We both work full time so fitting it all in can be hard. Especially as if I train hard much past 7pm I have difficulty in sleeping.

I've started running home from work which has helped a lot with getting time on my feet, I occasionally will take a shorter lunch break so I can leave early and get a longer run in.

I can get away 2 or 3 mornings a week as well which helps. What would be good is if we had a shower at work then I could start running at lunch again.

Where I really struggle is getting bike miles in,
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamieMcP wrote:
My daughter has just turned 2. We both work full time so fitting it all in can be hard.


Full time work at two? It's tough oop north. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peer pressure is starting to affect my judgement. Itís not much, just the occasional ďbut your an IronmanĒ, or ďheís an IronmanĒ and I start to feel like a fraud. Maybe Iíll sneak off to do one in September off a few months specific training. How hard can it be? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

few months specific training. How hard can it be?
Tin Pot ......
Sounds like a painful plan!
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