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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
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Jorgan wrote:
So the question is, why would the magazine want to discredit him?


Sputnik News is a Russian state sponsored propaganda news outlet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_(news_agency)


Yes, that's a given, but why would they want to single-out Schoeman, a South African triathlete? There are way bigger fish in the pond.


I would imagine there is some kernel of truth in the story, but the hacked emails they released were selective so as to create the narrative they wanted
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ITU Statement (and some commentary) on tri247

https://www.tri247.com/triathlon-news/elite/henri-schoeman-cleared
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doug wrote:
ITU Statement (and some commentary) on tri247

https://www.tri247.com/triathlon-news/elite/henri-schoeman-cleared


it just makes their processes look murky...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

r0bh wrote:
Jorgan wrote:
r0bh wrote:
Jorgan wrote:
So the question is, why would the magazine want to discredit him?


Sputnik News is a Russian state sponsored propaganda news outlet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_(news_agency)


Yes, that's a given, but why would they want to single-out Schoeman, a South African triathlete? There are way bigger fish in the pond.


I would imagine there is some kernel of truth in the story, but the hacked emails they released were selective so as to create the narrative they wanted

My view:
Russia is excellent and keeping the pressure up across a broad spectrum in order to muddle facts, and divide public opinion to create distrust in facts. By doing so public perception no longer trust their own news outlets, or organisations, and in the long run this makes the Russian state owned doping program seem almost legit or at least not as bad. It's a well impressive state apparatus they have in place for this and they're starting to apply this technique in a fair few areas. It works well in/against western culture.

Obviously the public bodies haven't exactly done well either. Cycling doping scandals at large scale publicity, corruption in football at the highest levels, and IOC has had a good round of corruption as well. Russia are applying some darn good hacking skills and some selective news outlets to benefit from this public distrust, and are admirably good at it. Trumps "fake news" has also played really well in to this serving Russia perfectly.

So who to trust? I don't trust everything that comes from the bodies, but I sure as hell trust anything Russian a lot less.

Pick your poison.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, Russia is most proficient using Cyber/Info operations.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone wants a quick recap on state sponsored thought control, they can listen to 1984 on iPlayer Radio on their next run.



George Orwell - Nineteen Eighty-Four - Episode 1 - @BBCRadio4Extra
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01qhd0y
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tin Pot wrote:
If anyone wants a quick recap on state sponsored thought control, they can listen to 1984 on iPlayer Radio on their next run.



George Orwell - Nineteen Eighty-Four - Episode 1 - @BBCRadio4Extra
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01qhd0y


or you could focus on your running form..
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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doug wrote:
ITU Statement (and some commentary) on tri247

https://www.tri247.com/triathlon-news/elite/henri-schoeman-cleared


it just makes their processes look murky...


Am I being dense, but how does the IOC and ITU saying "no finding happened" look murky? "The result management went in accordance with the WADA rules and the process concluded that no AAF was recorded. As a result, the case was not considered to be, nor did it result in, an Anti-Doping Rule violation." I'm struggling to find murk in that... Rules were followed, no AAF, no penalty, no case. Or do we believe a bunch of dodgy Russian fake news hackers over WADA / IOC / ITU?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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doug wrote:
ITU Statement (and some commentary) on tri247

https://www.tri247.com/triathlon-news/elite/henri-schoeman-cleared


it just makes their processes look murky...


Am I being dense, but how does the IOC and ITU saying "no finding happened" look murky? "The result management went in accordance with the WADA rules and the process concluded that no AAF was recorded. As a result, the case was not considered to be, nor did it result in, an Anti-Doping Rule violation." I'm struggling to find murk in that... Rules were followed, no AAF, no penalty, no case. Or do we believe a bunch of dodgy Russian fake news hackers over WADA / IOC / ITU?


If you were testing for something and didn't find it would you report that you didn't find anything or that you didn't record any finding?

Did the testers not find anything or did they not record what they found due to a set of reasons such as a TUE?

i would like to see a full report with timelines but doubt this will happen.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting that the Russians targeted a South African athlete when the Russians (and an Indian family) basically own the South African government.

Oh no wait. Their ally Zuma is about to be booted out. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blindcider wrote:
What actually counts as "out of competition?"


Worth pointing out because i had it confirmed today:

ITU/ETU
In competition = 12 hours before event to crossing the finish line

Ironman
In competition = when you pay your entry fee to 6 months after event
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ironman
In competition = when you pay your entry fee to when you stop telling everyone about your ironman


FTFY
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jibberjim wrote:
explorerJC wrote:

Ironman
In competition = when you pay your entry fee to when you have covered up your tat


FTFY

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So taking those Ironman rules, OOC doesn't really exist if you have to enter popular Ironman events a year in advance; assuming you did at least one a year, you'd be 'in competition' almost permanently.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
So taking those Ironman rules, OOC doesn't really exist if you have to enter popular Ironman events a year in advance; assuming you did at least one a year, you'd be 'in competition' almost permanently.


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