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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:00 am    Post subject: Wheel recommendation for IM distance: Zipp vs HED vs ... Reply with quote

Hi

Time to make a step up from my stock Mavic Cosmics on the bike, to something a little deeper...

Have been doing some research and am coming down to the following options:
- Zipp 606 combo - to be had for ~1500-1600
- HED Jet Black 6/9 combo ~1600
- Parcours Passista/Chrono combo ~900

What I would like is a combination of deep 50mm+ front and then a deeper back, but as my next race at least is the windy IM Netherlands, going to full disc is a no-no.

My top option now is probably the HED, largely because of the alu break track...

Any views/recommendations/other options?

thanks,
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why would you not want a disc rear?

it is the deep front you will have problems with in windy conditions....
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has to be really windy for a rear wheel to play a part in how the bike handles.
You steer with the front wheel, or it's directly attatched to the fork steerer anyway.
There expensive brand new but Xentis wheels are first rate.
I have Fire crest 808/404 clinchers but they are not as comfortable, light, easily maintained or SEEM as fast as the Xentis sets... I have no real way of knowing if there faster or not.

Personally unless your on a drag strip running disc/ 1080 or it's crazy hilly and you have a kilo total set there's probably not that much between the majority.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you saying that instead of a deep section back wheel I am better off going for a disc straight away? Part of me feels a little uneasy about it, as it represents a big just from what now is a shallow section 40mm rim... But if I was to do this, any specific recommendations?

The other point is price - e.g. having had a look at the Xentis wheels, we are talking 1700 per wheel rather than a complete wheelset... I am not really prepared to go all the way

Lastly, from what I have seen not many people rode Maastricht with discs last year...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus !
I would never buy a brand new Xentis wheel...
I bought an immaculate set of Xentis HM from a guy then bought his mk1 Tt set, the front was free as it was damaged ... sent it off but it couldn't be mended.
Got a squad 4.2 rear and looking for a front.
The dt hubs are bomb proof and the four spokes can't come out of true.
The braking surface is very good for carbon even in the wet.

On a flat day you can't really feel a disc, you just go a bit faster and it makes a nice noise in tunnels, and when close to walls etc.

A mate of mine used his for the infamous 2015 IM WALES which had biblical weather. He did use a normal box section front wheel.

A few local bike shops have " last years models" in carbon wheels, there the same.. just different stickers and usually small changes.

I was offered a rear 1080 last month, friend of a friend, it was virtually brand new but 8? years old.

You on 10 or 11 speed?
This is something to bear in mind.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bike is 11sp for now.

Still, is there that much of a difference between a say 80-90mm wheel and a full disc?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dazzmaster wrote:
Still, is there that much of a difference between a say 80-90mm wheel and a full disc?


Loads, and in fact because triathletes tend to be going slower so they see higher yaws, a disk is more useful to a triathlete - since the benefit is greater in higher yaw situations. It will also handle better in gusty situations - the entire back will be stable.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're main reason for buying is for IM distance then buy a disc for the rear: quite simply it's the quickest wheel and you can use it quite literally in a gale safely.

If you want a do it all front then something like a 404 or Jet 60 can be used in virtually any wind conditions: if you want the fastest then a 808 or Jet 90 on a calmer day.

If you want the benefit of clincher/alloy braking the Hed Jet disc and a 60 or 90 is hard to beat.

If you want the whomp-whomp sound get a Super 9 disc.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for these quite specific recommendations moon monkey 02. I guess the only last question is around usage itself - I was sort of thinuking that whatever I get, I could actually ride throughout most of the summer.... partly to get used to handling etc, and largely because the concept of having super expensive wheels that are used say 3 times a year is just a bit wrong...

Any views on what wheels you could use year round including for racing? Or am I suggesting sacrilege here? Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't discard some of the other brands. Lots of Flo users on here (60/disc seems to be a winner) and I'm personally on FFWD F6R/disc which I quite like.

Personal experience the FFWD disc is great but the front is touchy with wind, even the 60, compared with my old RS80 C50 and Zipp 404 fronts. But the FFWD decals are just so darn nice bling to match my frame that I can live with that. Smile

And no, I'm the same as you. I bought a set of FFWD F6R (front and rear) as all condition / all days riding. They are classed as "sturdy" by the manufacturer so would "do it all". As it happened, I then got a bike with some Giant PA2's on that are fine for training, and found a cheap disc at Evans. So accidentally I ended up with training and race wheels anyway. So now I bash the cheap ones in winter and wet, and pop the nicer ones on when the summer and sun comes. Doesn't mean I don't train on them, I just do it when it's nicer.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just an update - many thanks for all the recommendations...

A lovely set of Flos is on its way from the US, with a courtesy stop over at HM Customs department for a warm welcome to the UK...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mungo wrote:


A mate of mine used his for the infamous 2015 IM WALES which had biblical weather. He did use a normal box section front wheel.



As someone who was at both races, 2015 was positively tropical compared to last year. Plenty of discs at both though.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

404FC/Disc or HED 6/Disc depending on budget and preferred brake track.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since we have some thread attention, what's people's opinion on 3/5-spoke fronts vs traditional 404/808/1080 style wheels?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trispoke are generally only faster under certain conditions, I would imagine that 99% of AG triathletes would be faster overall with a good 60-90mm front.

I would imagine that a lot of it depends on the rim width of the wheels you will be comparing, as well as the forks your bike is running.
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