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JeffB




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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I managed a trail half marathon yesterday, was tough going on the legs in the last few miles given a lack of training and particularly mud in recent weeks, but good to get out on the hills again.

There was a familiar pair of denim shorts setting off on the marathon route just as I turned up.

Also managed an easy 80 mins on the bike today, and got a fair soaking, mostly from the wet roads. Mudguards need putting on Sad

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeffB wrote:
I managed a trail half marathon yesterday...There was a familiar pair of denim shorts setting off on the marathon route just as I turned up...


Nice work - was pretty dry this weekend, no?
What the infamous TC doing, then?

Light week on volume, was meant to be a bit harder on the old intensity stuff.

Swim - 45mins
Bike - 5hr 8mins
Runs - 2hr 7mins
Total - 8hrs

Missed the swim one lunchtime, due to work commitments.
All runs were easy with the dog (one should have been a pyramid, the other a tempo)
A couple of rides were hard - Tuesday WattBike session was a killer, then the Friday ride was a ride I *just had to* split into three... Wink

No niggles have surfaced, so am just pressing on with what I've planned for myself.
Got the four weekly FTP test this week, plus a CSS test in a 25m pool ( Jorgan Wink ), a shorter hilly bike and a 100km pulling the club round the lanes of Cheshire on Sunday.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Managed over 12h again last week, happy with that. Ended it last night with Alpe du Zwift - my glutes are in bits.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
Managed over 12h again last week...


That's mid-summer-esque IM training levels...nice work Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poet. wrote:
Jorgan wrote:
Managed over 12h again last week...


That's mid-summer-esque IM training levels...nice work Very Happy


Only because I got to ride in 5 days last week, which is unusual these days. Felt good riding up the Alpe last night, paced the sectors really well. Even with my PM constantly dropping out, power was ~238w and 133/4 bpm all the way up; had more to give, and would have if my motivation hadn't been blunted by technical issues.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good work Jorgan.

I managed 9:15 hours last week and although I was short on the 10 hrs target I hit the TSS target and was pretty tired yesterday. CTL is creeping up and got an outdoor ride in which was nice.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poet. wrote:
JeffB wrote:
I managed a trail half marathon yesterday...There was a familiar pair of denim shorts setting off on the marathon route just as I turned up...


Nice work - was pretty dry this weekend, no?
What the infamous TC doing, then?



It did rain quite heavily on Friday evening but the course was still generally dry as it hasn't rained that much for a good few weeks. There was a few boggy bits you'd expect on moors\fells.

Yes, TC did the marathon (46k) full route.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slightly related question to this thread.

How many of you see all of your training as towards the goal of racing, either for a time\event etc., against maybe just enjoying exercising, having too much free time (probably not many of you for that). And in some cases commuting seems to be both a training session and good way to get to work.

I sometimes wonder if I focused the training a bit more I could potentially improve a bit more and take less time, albeit you do need a mix of sessions.

Although I do have a busy job I only live 5 miles away so it takes about 15-20 minutes depending on the traffic, I can get to the pool on a lunctime and do 2k if I have a long lunch. Biking to work isn't really going to get any benefit but I could run (I don't as I give the G\F a lift, although do if she's away\off).

But, I also do some training sessions just for the mental side of things, e.g. to escape computers etc., I think some of the sessions like an easy 1 hour bike could be replace by say 2*20 which at this time of year would mean the bike wouldn't get dirty etc. as well.

Curious really. I also sometimes do a parkrun, partly as it's a decent workout, and sometimes just for socialising.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeffB wrote:
How many of you see all of your training as towards the goal of racing, either for a time\event etc., against maybe just enjoying exercising, having too much free time (probably not many of you for that).


I do almost no racing at all, certainly not done any seriously at all, and have averaged over 10 hours a week every year for the last 10, it's all just for the exercising and health benefits (including mental)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeffB wrote:
How many of you see all of your training as towards the goal of racing, either for a time\event etc., against maybe just enjoying exercising, having too much free time (probably not many of you for that).


In some ways similar to JJ. Including the London commute I had, I would be over 10 hours without trying. This is in my mind was exercising. Not really much quality

However as a result of the "non quality" I found with a little targeting I could then race events quite well. As running (for me) was the easiest I tended towards this and would then train for marathons. This would then bump the hours more near 15.

Now I have lost my commute, I am trying to become more structured and am therefore to keep some motivation I am targeting a sub 10 IM, but this is a long term goal and in someways I looking forward to seeing if the many turbo sessions I have coming up in my life improve my power over the commute (on paper it should).
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've managed to put 3 weeks of wattbike work together now, pretty much 5 hrs per week, 1 hr per day before work.

A large bunch of my friends are currently on a 'test' running camp for one of the guys that will be offering it as part of his business to the general public next year in the mountains of Costa Blanca. With the birth of the little one, i couldn't go anyway , but the frustration of being injured and seeing all the running/scambling/climbing etc they're up to is killing me!! I'm experiencing ridiculous levels of FOMO!!!

Decided on the weekend i was just going to bite the bullet and start running this week. Had my follow up physio appt yesterday and was told unequivocally not to run yet! Great! There's a lot of secondary issues going on from my injury and she has now referred me on to an Osteo for some mechanical manipulation, as the muscular stuff isn't quite getting there. Long list of issues that need to be cleared before i cause other problems by running again!

So 'Training - What Training?' definitely fits!!

I'll stick to another month's membership at the gym, as it's super convenient. That should take me up to Xmas, hopefully with a nice and consistent 7/8 weeks worth of 4/5 hrs a week. I'll try to get outside on the bike if i can occasionally as well. Commute is an hour each way if i want to do that. Flat and boring though, with a million gates, crossings etc. I'd probs use that as a longer recovery day and do all my 'sessions' on TR.

Hopefully by the time i'm back running i'll have a semblance of fitness and strength. I'm picking and choosing from the TR workouts, and have landed on a bit of a pattern - Over unders, Sweetspot, Recovery, VO2 max, Sweetspot - for my 5 day pattern. Though today i'm actually going outside at lunchtime! Though my bike is knackered and still has the racing slicks from the last time it was used 'properly' at Cotswolds 113 in 2015!! Very Happy Very Happy

Sorry for the rant ... but it's been 9 weeks now and it's driving me insane!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it's become a habit.

If I don't exercise, I get really cranky. There's just something about a hard session that I love. Being an early riser helps, means I can get a 40 minute session in first thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeffB wrote:
Slightly related question to this thread.

How many of you see all of your training as towards the goal of racing, either for a time\event etc., against maybe just enjoying exercising, having too much free time (probably not many of you for that). And in some cases commuting seems to be both a training session and good way to get to work.

...

Jeff

I would say that for me it's both. I would be exercising anyway and since the Outlaw last year have been exercising rather than training. For me the difference being a lack of structure and purpose. It's enough to blag my way through a half and still enjoy it. Doing sport and exercise has been part of my life forever. The sports and exercising changes based on what life allows and what I want to do.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeffB wrote:
How many of you see all of your training as towards the goal of racing, either for a time\event etc., against maybe just enjoying exercising, having too much free time (probably not many of you for that).


Yeah, I've got too much time on my hands Laughing Commuting by bike for me is a great way of incorporating exercise/training into the day. Not only is it carbon-free, saving me petrol and pretty much as quick as driving...but also hauling a very heavy bike with rack/pannier around is great bike training for events!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FTP @ 249W for 79.8kg, 3.12W/kg - 14% increase since last month (16/10/2018 FTP @ 229W for 84kg, 2.73W/kg)

Iím either getting massively better at testing, lighter or more powerful or all of the above. 4.3W/kg here I come
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