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stenard




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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poet. wrote:
FTP @ 249W for 79.8kg, 3.12W/kg - 14% increase since last month (16/10/2018 FTP @ 229W for 84kg, 2.73W/kg)

Iím either getting massively better at testing, lighter or more powerful or all of the above. 4.3W/kg here I come

Good work. I think the bold bit plays a big part initially.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stenard wrote:
Good work...


Cheers Very Happy
I agree with the testing bit - on my initial test, I had no clue what "my number" should have been.

After 10-15 minutes I hear the voice in my head

Jorgan wrote:
...and then you'll hit a plateau..


So long as that plateau is higher than his come June 9th, I'm fine Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poet. wrote:
So long as that plateau is higher than his come June 9th, I'm fine Twisted Evil


You won't enter the 113; either because you think never the twain should meet, or you just don't want to get beat.

Twisted Evil

The weight loss and power gains will get smaller & harder.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
...you just don't want to get beat...

I'm not too fussed about that, if it's an actual race between us.
There is not much point if you finish 10+ minutes in front of me, with neither of us having a mechanical.
That's not a "race"...

...nor do I want to pony up the cash to just finish.
I've done enough of these to not want to do that - I want to actually do it some justice

Jorgan wrote:
The weight loss and power gains will get smaller & harder.


Weight loss will be fine up to ~74kg.
I've not yet cut out alcohol or processed foods.

Power Gains will be harder, yes.
Took me three years to get to 4W/kg before.

I see myself doing a Frodo at this rate Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poet. wrote:
Jorgan wrote:
...you just don't want to get beat...

I'm not too fussed about that, if it's an actual race between us.
There is not much point if you finish 10+ minutes in front of me, with neither of us having a mechanical.
That's not a "race"...

...nor do I want to pony up the cash to just finish.
I've done enough of these to not want to do that - I want to actually do it some justice


That is interesting. Last month I did an end of season Sprint Tri, and found myself in a novel scenario, that of a three-way race. They started the fastest people off first, so we were at the front, knowing that the first to finish was likely the winner. Made the bike quite interesting. I actually think if it had been more of a TT scenario, I might have won, because when I caught the other two on the bike, it effectively 'woke them up' and they started racing; had I started in the wave behind, that wouldn't have happened. As it was I came second, caught on the run after leading out of T2; but I was out-of-shape and had a Cold, so it was a good result (my Training Peaks TSB was -18 iirc).

So what would you 'pony up' money for?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

28/3/2:28/2/1:29
Ish

If I can do them individually by April 7th, Iím in.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poet. wrote:
28/3/2:28/2/1:29
Ish

If I can do them individually by April 7th, Iím in.


That's sharp, even on the 113 course.

The season seems such a long way off ATM.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gingerbongo wrote:
I've managed to put 3 weeks of wattbike work together now, pretty much 5 hrs per week, 1 hr per day before work.

A large bunch of my friends are currently on a 'test' running camp for one of the guys that will be offering it as part of his business to the general public next year in the mountains of Costa Blanca. With the birth of the little one, i couldn't go anyway , but the frustration of being injured and seeing all the running/scambling/climbing etc they're up to is killing me!! I'm experiencing ridiculous levels of FOMO!!!

Decided on the weekend i was just going to bite the bullet and start running this week. Had my follow up physio appt yesterday and was told unequivocally not to run yet! Great! There's a lot of secondary issues going on from my injury and she has now referred me on to an Osteo for some mechanical manipulation, as the muscular stuff isn't quite getting there. Long list of issues that need to be cleared before i cause other problems by running again!

So 'Training - What Training?' definitely fits!!

I'll stick to another month's membership at the gym, as it's super convenient. That should take me up to Xmas, hopefully with a nice and consistent 7/8 weeks worth of 4/5 hrs a week. I'll try to get outside on the bike if i can occasionally as well. Commute is an hour each way if i want to do that. Flat and boring though, with a million gates, crossings etc. I'd probs use that as a longer recovery day and do all my 'sessions' on TR.

Hopefully by the time i'm back running i'll have a semblance of fitness and strength. I'm picking and choosing from the TR workouts, and have landed on a bit of a pattern - Over unders, Sweetspot, Recovery, VO2 max, Sweetspot - for my 5 day pattern. Though today i'm actually going outside at lunchtime! Though my bike is knackered and still has the racing slicks from the last time it was used 'properly' at Cotswolds 113 in 2015!! Very Happy Very Happy

Sorry for the rant ... but it's been 9 weeks now and it's driving me insane!!!!!!!


With these bike sessions I reckon your 5k time won't be far off when you start running again.

It's horrible being injured though, not helped when you see your mates on a running holiday.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poet. wrote:
28/3/2:28/2/1:29
Ish

If I can do them individually by April 7th, Iím in.

Punchy!

Issue is you won't be able to enter in April. It'll be long sold out.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
; but I was out-of-shape and had a Cold, so it was a good result (my Training Peaks TSB was -18 iirc).



A Cold with a capital C, now that is bad....
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeffB wrote:
That's sharp, even on the 113 course.


stenard wrote:
Punchy!
Issue is you won't be able to enter in April. It'll be long sold out.


Individually!!! Not as one unit, that would be close to my best ever HIM times, all one one day Wink

Whilst I've swam under the hour for 3.8km, I cannot seem to swim under 30 minutes for a 1.9km???

Previous middle times below (bike and run times extrapolated up to 90k/21.1k from average speed/pace)

Beaver 2011 33/1/snapped chain walked a bit until "I" fixed it/3/1:24
Vitruvian 2010 31/2/2:27/1/1:30
Bala 2010 33/2/2:38/1/1:28 (3rd in AG, BTF middle distance champs)
Vitruvian 2009 33/2/2:29/1/1:30 (summer of cycling paid off)
Bala 2009 39/3/2:49/2/1:40 (cold water knackered me)
Bala 2008 43/3/2:54/2/1:40 (six days after Beaulieu)
Beaulieu 2008 32/2/2:35/2/1:45 (flat, like 113)
TriTalkMan 2008 38/4/2:50/6/1:40 (first HIM, self supported)
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've absolutely fallen off a cliff. After a 8/9 month stint of getting back to exercising regularyly and shifting around 6 kg all of a sudden this past weekend I just went snack crazy. I've also lost any interest/motivation to go exercise.

My food intake is pretty good now so I shouldn't balloon up anyway, that's one thing I have fixed for the most part but as for exercising. Jesus.

I managed a 30 min swim yesterday because a work pal drove us both up there. Other than that I just cannot be fugged. Unfortunately I've always been a bit goal focused and without one I just lose all interest.

I think I've answered my own question. Set a goal. Face palm.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muriel wrote:
Unfortunately I've always been a bit goal focused and without one I just lose all interest.

I think I've answered my own question.
Set a goal
Face palm.


LOL!

So, what's the goal going to be?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably a parkrun on Christmas Day to counteract breakfast calories.

I've no idea at the moment. I've shoved an entry into Swissman (minor goal). Wink

I think I should find out about that in the next few days. Other than that it'll be a 70.3 or full at some point. Probably Switzerland as the Mrs wants to go there for holiday.

My real bucket list race to be fair is the Hispaman. I love that part of the world but it falls exactly two weeks after I land in Heathrow from a 2.5 week US road trip. I'm pretty sure I'll be both unfit and fat after that. I think it's madness to even entertain that idea right?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How old are you now Poet, still mid-30s I think? Which would give you time to build-up and have some good races.

I've certainly found after turning 40, I've struggled a bit more, although having our second child may have something to do with that. Best HIM run since turning 40 is 1:30, which I did in 2015 off the back of my terrible day in Frankfurt; all the rest have been some way off that (1:34-6). Still, as alluded to before, new job (and son being older now) means conditions for better racing are returning. I turn 45 in Feb Rolling Eyes

You ran 1:24 at the Beaver? That must have been accurate Very Happy I think swim splits are always a bit random, as courses are invariably never the same distance, and now in the GPS age, it's more obvious.
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