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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tunster wrote:
another year (3 now) of disappointment in the Western States lottery draw Sad


Even though i had no entry (put in the defer though!) I watched it live - very disappointed for you was keeping an eye out for anyone whose names I recognised .
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ultras are the way forward FP!

I've been dabbling over the last few years, partly as my group of friends have angled that way, partly as one of my friends has been putting on said events and partly because with a young family it is MUCH easier (and cheaper, so much cheaper) to train and race than tris!!

When you start going long, as long as you have a decent base (which you will have form your history in tri, IM Wales last year etc) then it's just about management. Pace management, food management, water management, pain management and spirit management in my opinion (unless you're right at the pointy end).

It's like riding in zone 2, it feels ridiculously easy for hours, until it's simply the time on bum (or feet) that starts to grind you down; assuming you have fuelled properly. Manage that fuel and the ever increasing pain (or discomfort) and frame yourself mental state appropriately and you'll do well. Break the race into manageable bitesize chunks and tick them off as you go. All the while enjoying the scenery, chatting away and eating. What a winner!!

Unashamed plug here, but look up the Climb South West ultras, all based in Devon, for some cracking options in some of the most scenic areas of the country.

I'm actually planning on my return to the race fold next year. Looking at the Ham-Lyme 50k ultra by Albion Running. A nice, low key, local-ish event that my team/friends and i are going to make a bit of an event. They do a 100k as well, but it's just an out and back. Haven't tried to race a 50 before, so would be interesting to see how quick i can go. One of my friends is a previous winner, and he's keen to get his course record back.

First things first though, i need to get my knee fixed an get actual running!!!


Climb south west do dome great events, done the Exmoor one at the start of October, pretty brutal day with lots of climbing, thoroughly enjoyed it!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lutterworth1 wrote:
gingerbongo wrote:
Ultras are the way forward FP!

I've been dabbling over the last few years, partly as my group of friends have angled that way, partly as one of my friends has been putting on said events and partly because with a young family it is MUCH easier (and cheaper, so much cheaper) to train and race than tris!!

When you start going long, as long as you have a decent base (which you will have form your history in tri, IM Wales last year etc) then it's just about management. Pace management, food management, water management, pain management and spirit management in my opinion (unless you're right at the pointy end).

It's like riding in zone 2, it feels ridiculously easy for hours, until it's simply the time on bum (or feet) that starts to grind you down; assuming you have fuelled properly. Manage that fuel and the ever increasing pain (or discomfort) and frame yourself mental state appropriately and you'll do well. Break the race into manageable bitesize chunks and tick them off as you go. All the while enjoying the scenery, chatting away and eating. What a winner!!

Unashamed plug here, but look up the Climb South West ultras, all based in Devon, for some cracking options in some of the most scenic areas of the country.

I'm actually planning on my return to the race fold next year. Looking at the Ham-Lyme 50k ultra by Albion Running. A nice, low key, local-ish event that my team/friends and i are going to make a bit of an event. They do a 100k as well, but it's just an out and back. Haven't tried to race a 50 before, so would be interesting to see how quick i can go. One of my friends is a previous winner, and he's keen to get his course record back.

First things first though, i need to get my knee fixed an get actual running!!!


Climb south west do dome great events, done the Exmoor one at the start of October, pretty brutal day with lots of climbing, thoroughly enjoyed it!


That's cool, glad you enjoyed it - 100km up on Exmoor next year and the 100 miles in 2020?! Very Happy

Doug - i did my first and second 100's last year. For the first few days after the first one i didn't think i'd ever run a 100 again. I came across the finish line spouting colourful language about how stupid they were and pulled a full Sir Steve Redgrave! Needless to say 4 months later and i was on the start line again. The second one wasn't a target race, but intended to be a jolly with my friends, on the proviso that i'd be happy (clearly i wouldn't) to drop if needed as i hadn't really trained for it. Ended up WAY exceeding expectations, leaving all my friends within 6 hours and somehow finishing in 2nd place. Not sure if was the experience from the first or just a change in mindset. I was back running in days after the second one, whereas i was out for 3 weeks after the first.

Very weird!!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gingerbongo - sounds similar to when I was actually doing IMs, the 2nd of the year always went better than the 1st (though the few times I tried 3 in a year the 3rd one always sucked, generally due to illness).

I've done a couple of 100s, (ok one was only a 95 but it was the West Highland Way so I'm counting it) and have generally recovered fairly quickly and the ultimate goal is to to try some thing a little longer in 2020 Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone have any experience with the UTMB races? For CCC I'd need 8pts to lob my name in that. If I'm reading the blurb right, that qualification is good for 3yrs.

Does that mean you will get drawn within 3yrs or you could not get drawn at all and need to to do qualification again?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't get in in years 1 and 2 you are guaranteed in for year 3.

Then if you DNF you need to get the points again and re-do the ballot (ahem).
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

themoid wrote:
If you don't get in in years 1 and 2 you are guaranteed in for year 3.

Then if you DNF you need to get the points again and re-do the ballot (ahem).


Cheers mate. If I get the pts next year and have to wait full time, I'll be 58, eek Exclamation
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had to DNS the Beacons Ultra last month due to ill child, so I won't have the points for CCC/TDS entry in 2019. Instead, I'm focusing on a 24 hour race in May and a 100 (my first) in September. If I'm lucky, I'll pick up some ITRA points along the way and plan an epic 2020 of Comrades and Cham...

I did Race to the Tower - same bunch who do RTTS - hands down the best organised, best aid-stationed, best marked event I've done - certainly getting what you pay for, because it's not cheap. I have to have my arm twisted to pay more than 1-1.50/mile, but it was worth it. Report (also up in the thread) here: http://www.tritalk.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=91561&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=2200

Now, just to rid myself of a calf strain...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:45 am    Post subject: Re: cincinnati escorts Reply with quote

catmkl wrote:
cincinnati escorts <url>


Do they do escorted trail runs ? Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:15 am    Post subject: Re: cincinnati escorts Reply with quote

doug wrote:
catmkl wrote:
cincinnati escorts <url>


Do they do escorted trail runs ? Wink


Aid station with a happy ending Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

p00key wrote:
tunster wrote:
another year (3 now) of disappointment in the Western States lottery draw Sad


Even though i had no entry (put in the defer though!) I watched it live - very disappointed for you was keeping an eye out for anyone whose names I recognised .


Ah well - see you in Auburn 2020?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

themoid wrote:
If you don't get in in years 1 and 2 you are guaranteed in for year 3.

Then if you DNF you need to get the points again and re-do the ballot (ahem).


No - you still need to have the necessary number of qualifying points in year 3 - the points after a race only last for 2 years if I recall correctly
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next year plans : Gin Pit Double, Thames Path 100, South Downs Way 100, North Downs Way 100, Berlin Marathon, Autumn 100.

Big year committing to Centurion 100 Grand Slam

Just need to get training!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tunster wrote:
themoid wrote:
If you don't get in in years 1 and 2 you are guaranteed in for year 3.

Then if you DNF you need to get the points again and re-do the ballot (ahem).


No - you still need to have the necessary number of qualifying points in year 3 - the points after a race only last for 2 years if I recall correctly


Ah that puts a new angle on it. Either spread the points races out so not to have to redo the whole 8pts, or gamble on getting in the first two years. Eek!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FatPom wrote:
tunster wrote:
themoid wrote:
If you don't get in in years 1 and 2 you are guaranteed in for year 3.

Then if you DNF you need to get the points again and re-do the ballot (ahem).


No - you still need to have the necessary number of qualifying points in year 3 - the points after a race only last for 2 years if I recall correctly


Ah that puts a new angle on it. Either spread the points races out so not to have to redo the whole 8pts, or gamble on getting in the first two years. Eek!


I learned this through bitter experience Sad
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