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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

goldenboots wrote:
Just to point out - this was a 250 person race with no having to move or dodge people or anything. There was absolutely no reason not to be able to take the racing line for pretty much the whole race


Surely the problem is that you do not know what the course was done under, whilst it is likely as a road race the pavement was out of bounds, in a small race you cannot know it for sure. It's possible that the other competitor genuinely believed the pavement was fair game. The UKA rules on courses aren't clear on this at all (they appear completely silent on if a pavement is allowed, caring more that saying that footpaths are not!)

So I certainly think that you need to be generous in assuming that the other competitor was not attempting to cheat in any way, and just running what they believed the racing line to be, rather than assuming they were attempting to get a benefit.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that's probably accurate. It's most likely a case of lack of clarity, rather than a specific desire to "cheat".

I'm presuming this is the course: http://coursemeasurement.org.uk/detail.php?area=Midlands&no=2018547

All you have on their for guidance is "right turns are the shortest line", and the fact it mentions it's all on roads.

Comparing this to a 10k I've done where I know there is no choice but to use the pavement in certain sections, the course measurement site is explicit on this: http://coursemeasurement.org.uk/detail.php?area=South&no=2010148

This is the most detailed I've ever thought about it, and those two examples do imply that unless otherwise explicitly stated in the measurement report, a pavement is off the course.

EDIT - another thought, on a similar line of thinking. In the Big Half, there is a straight section of cobbles. Last year, I was nearish the front, and everyone around me ran on the pavement to avoid running on the cobbles. Is that equally illegal, even though no distance benefit?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stenard wrote:
Comparing this to a 10k I've done where I know there is no choice but to use the pavement in certain sections, the course measurement site is explicit on this: http://coursemeasurement.org.uk/detail.php?area=South&no=2010148


I don't understand how you can run that course under that description! It doesn't explain how you get back on the pavement for the left turn from Dukes Avenue, and it also says you can use the whole width of Dukes avenue after the first 100m, which seems rather unsafe - most people tend to stay on the pavement the whole way unless there's a pack there - which is a lot safer, than running down the wrong side of a pretty busy road, but that does appear to be against the explicit course measurement - again minimal/no benefit as the road is straight (or curving the other way if any)

The actual UKA rulebook doesn't mention, it just says "Road" and "Footpath", completely ignoring pavements, my assumption is that they're going for the more generic use of footpath and it's intended to be different as you say.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have entered a marathon. I might even make it to the start line.

Richmond Runfest Marathon - September 15th. Smile
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