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Tans826zt




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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:23 am    Post subject: IronMan Training Plan HELP!!! Reply with quote

Hey all

First post so be gentle. Signed up for my first IronMan in Vichy France on 25th August. I found a 6 month training plan which I found online 3 weeks ago and itís going well. The more I look it at the more I worry itís not guna cut the mustard. The mileage towards the end just doesnít seem enough to me. Could anyone with a bit of experience please cast their eye over it.

http://www.220triathlon.com/downloads/6Month-Ironman-base-training-plan.pdf

Thanks in advance
Dave
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it really depends upon start point, ability to recover, injury resilience, time available and objectives...

why do you think it is not enough?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So my base fitness was higher than the starting point of the plan and Iím finding it fine at the moment. Adjusting to the volume is whatís toughest, training on consecutive days without rest is what Iím getting used to. Oh and eating enough lol.
Pretty good with injury resilience as I normally run marathons. Iím not trying to qualify for Kona but want a reasonable time.

There just doesnít seem to be many brick sessions and I thought I would be doing nearer to the race distances in each discipline closer to the end.
If you think the plan is sufficient that I wonít struggle in the race and will vaguely enjoy it then great!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tans826zt wrote:
So my base fitness was higher than the starting point of the plan and Iím finding it fine at the moment. Adjusting to the volume is whatís toughest, training on consecutive days without rest is what Iím getting used to. Oh and eating enough lol.
Pretty good with injury resilience as I normally run marathons. Iím not trying to qualify for Kona but want a reasonable time.

There just doesnít seem to be many brick sessions and I thought I would be doing nearer to the race distances in each discipline closer to the end.
If you think the plan is sufficient that I wonít struggle in the race and will vaguely enjoy it then great!


i can't make a judgement on the plan because of the many unknowns...iirc there is only one brick...so the question could be, why aren't they liberally dotted through the programme?

brick sessions are useful for multiple reasons, but should be scheduled and based on session and overall objectives....just as useful at this end of the training as in the back end....

as a caveat though, you won't want hard or long bricks close to d day...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brick sessions are pretty useful for short tris, the longer you go, the less important they are.

I do very few for Ironman, if any. Get obsessed about doing runs after long rides and the runs are pretty pointless, just cause fatigue without much training benefit.

Better done as longer rides off shorter and harder bike rides.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not a coach, I did have a coach last year but I am self coaching this year. I am just starting my 4th season of triathlon. There are many people on this site who have vastly more experience than me, however, I will share my opinion.

I think a lot of plans take an average person and get them into a position where they can complete and Ironman reasonably comfortably, but the focus is not on achieving a great time

Before I did my first IM I had done a load of Olympic distance triathlons and a few half ironmans. To give you some context to my fitness when I started training for an IM, my half marathon pb was 1h30m and Marathon PB was 3h30m

My first IM was in Vichy, and I completed this, age 45, in under 12 hours, which for me was "reasonable", but certainly not spectacular. I did this off 7 hours training per week, I was limited by a running injury, moving job and relocating from the UK to Switzerland 1 week after Vichy (sorting schools, house etc took a load of time)

I would say that the program you are following is probably similar to the amount I was doing in preparation for Vichy, and I am sure that you can get a reasonable time, but with scope for future improvement. You could train harder, but there is a risk that you get an injury or simply over train. Much better to follow a nice safe plan, complete your first IM, and then see how much you can improve in subsequent years

Last year I completed IM Switzerland over an hour quicker off 11 hours training per week.

This year I am training around 13-14 hours per week, and have seen a step change in performance across all 3 disciplines
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: IronMan Training Plan HELP!!! Reply with quote

Tans826zt wrote:
Hey all

First post so be gentle. Signed up for my first IronMan in Vichy France on 25th August. I found a 6 month training plan which I found online 3 weeks ago and itís going well. The more I look it at the more I worry itís not guna cut the mustard. The mileage towards the end just doesnít seem enough to me. Could anyone with a bit of experience please cast their eye over it.

http://www.220triathlon.com/downloads/6Month-Ironman-base-training-plan.pdf

Thanks in advance
Dave

I may be wrong, but the naming of the plan saying "base", would imply to me that this is simply building the base that you would then build and specialise off. This does not seem to me to be a full training plan taking you up to race day. There's no taper or anything of that nature taking you to race day. It's simply laying some foundations across swim-bike-run to make you a well rounded triathlete, who can then specialise some training for the target race.

Here's a generic plan off the same website that actually builds to a race: http://www.220triathlon.com/downloads/6monthIronmanTrainingPlan.pdf
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:44 am    Post subject: Re: IronMan Training Plan HELP!!! Reply with quote

Tans826zt wrote:
Hey all

First post so be gentle. Signed up for my first IronMan in Vichy France on 25th August. I found a 6 month training plan which I found online 3 weeks ago and itís going well. The more I look it at the more I worry itís not guna cut the mustard. The mileage towards the end just doesnít seem enough to me. Could anyone with a bit of experience please cast their eye over it.

http://www.220triathlon.com/downloads/6Month-Ironman-base-training-plan.pdf

Thanks in advance
Dave


On top of what has already been said - some good advice there - don't worry too much about performance in your first IM. Just have a 'good race' (i.e. don't fall apart) and enjoy it. IMHO too many people get caught up in trying to 'smash it' and most them don't and it ruins their day.

WRT a specific point - I think Stenard has pointed out it may not be a race plan so needs more volume - but additionally I wouldn't get hung up on doing massive training sessions, they will probably just break you.
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