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PCP




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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree Poet, apart from the gel-y belly, I only had 3 today.

97 miles, 10,000ft, 7:15 ride time (prob too long at feed stations). Worst day I've ever had on a bike, both mentally and my legs, not the hardest but the worst I've ever felt but I've only been doing the odd 35 mile ride so deserved the pain. Was done after 40 miles (5000ft in those 40). Toughed it out though and a long day out banked.

13 hours 4 minutes this week. 11:50 on the bike and the rest running.

Hoping to get similar time in next week.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just over 12 hours training last week, with a good balance of swimming, cycling and running.

A 10k run PB, and new FTP on Saturday ride, followed be another new FTP on Zwift on Sunday.

Slightly easier week this week as first Tri of the year is next Sunday, it's a sprint so will be super painful
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only had three gels yesterday, with 1l of sports fluid.
I couldn't stomach anymore after 105km, so switched to water and paleo bars.

It was High5, which I always used to have problems with.

I felt fine at 100 miles (5hrs 20mins), then it really started to bite, with 45km to go.
Once 180km had gone, in 6 hours, then I was just bored.

I think if the roads weren't local, then it might have been better.
Also, if I wasn't doing ~30km/h, that might have helped Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PCP wrote:
Was done after 40 miles (5000ft in those 40).


Some of our club took a planned detour to Holmfirth, over Holme Moss, then rejoined the route Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are you guys using gels on an Audax? Why not just eat 'normal' solid food. You know you can stop too! Okay, my only Audax was 405km, so that's a different strategy, but in order to enjoy it...you need decent food & decent company Smile

I really enjoyed the Brevet Cymru; I didn't even get to halfway before it was the longest ride I'd ever done! I wouldn't recommend eating peppery pork pies on the move though...unless you want them coming out of your nose Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manchester - Sheffield - Manchester is a sportive, so gels okay.

I was riding with a couple of club mates, then just one.
Good company - he kept me @ 18mph on the final 40km, past my road end.

Gels = I get cafe legs and don't really like stopping too much, just cake, coffee, toilet and bottles.

Total stopped time was 1hr 20mins, including two punctures, all junctions, and three controls.

After 180km on the bike, running the final leg home was more appealing than sat on my bike for any longer time Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been in Hamburg for a conference this week and got to tick the bucket list running the Outer Alster Lake loop.

3 laps for 25k on first day (longest run for many years) longest run before Prague Marathon in 3 weeks.

1 lap 10k on second day (fastest 10k for 5 years).

The 20 degree temperature drop compared to Singapore gives me a 30 seconds/km saving for the same effort. Hoping Prague will be cool Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mad Mike wrote:
Been in Hamburg for a conference this week and got to tick the bucket list running the Outer Alster Lake loop.


You should definitely join the club and do Ironman Hamburg then; 28 July Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I got to mid April managing 10-14h a week, every week. Now comes what is probably a long needed (and enforced) reduction in volume, leading into my first race on 5th May. Hopefully I should be able to shake this Cold over the next couple of weeks as a result.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sporadic 6-8 hours for me since going back to work.

Got 18 hours in seven days coming up.
Mini-home based training camp.
Split over two 12 hour weeks.
First triathlon for six years in the middle.

Clitheroe on Easter Sunday.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some big hours going in. I managed an 80 mile ride yesterday and will clock around 14 hours in this week, mainly on the bike.

Then a biiiiig 24 hour week planned next week in Mallorca Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a general observation, I'm not convinced of the actual (physiological) benefit of going away and doing 20+ hours for a solitary 6 days, then going back to 8h/week again for weeks before the season even starts.

I've only ever done one week on a 'camp' (Playitas in 2010). Smashed out 30 hours. I had to take much of that very steady! It was late November, so almost utterly pointless; but we had to take the booking before the end of the year, as it was a legacy of the ash-cloud cancellations that April.

Consistency is the key, not one big week in a sea of <10h ones.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
As a general observation, I'm not convinced of the actual (physiological) benefit of going away and doing 20+ hours for a solitary 6 days, then going back to 8h/week again for weeks before the season even starts.


The training benefits from the 20h will still be there, and then your 8h will be at a higher output from the extra fitness for the same intensity. The benefits won't be lost that quickly.


Jorgan wrote:
Consistency is the key, not one big week in a sea of <10h ones.


Consistency is certainly key, a zero hour week will do more harm than a 20h week would do benefit, and you may also not be fit enough of course to do the 20h hour week and instead do too much, but they are certainly valuable.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, but one big week in a sea of 10-15hr weeks can give you a bit of a bump.

I'm not doing a camp this year, but last year kind of did 2. The first was just a solo week in Lanzarote where I simply swam 2+ km every single day, and then mixed in a bit of run and bike. That was end of Jan and I felt it gave my swimming a real jump, after the accumulated fatigue was shed.

I then did a proper camp in April, although the company i go with call them "training holidays". 26.5hrs over 7 days. I got back 3 weeks out from Mallorca 70.3 and that went really well. It was also a big confidence booster for my first full distance to have a 180k ride into 10k brick run banked so early in the season (and it came on the final day of the trip).

The organisers need to know what they're doing though. The people I use are great, and have a real structure. Early part of the week is a bit of an overload, then almost a couple of recovery days before the big finale. The food is also something else.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was really prompted by the Strava Leaderboard. You'll see those big weeks appear, then those guys will generally disappear from the regular leader board again.

I'm not knocking it, I'd love the opportunity to go on a cycling 'holiday' and ride some decent dry sunny & smooth roads for a change! I'm just making a point about relative consistency. Plus commuting to work in all weathers in this country is good for the mental fortitude Rolling Eyes Wink
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