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Do you train specifically for the open water?
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Swim Smooth




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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: Pool Swimming and Open Water Swimming - different? Reply with quote

Hi Everyone

Thought I'd get this topic up and running as it one that we have been debating quite a bit recently. You probably know my belief "train like a swimmer in the pool but be prepared to become specific for your open water swimming closer to the season" as the two can be quiet different - some would even say different sports! Well, I was surfing the net and as we've already had a link on this forum to a guy called Haydn Wooley (regarded as having the fastest Ironman swim of all time in 43:30 Shocked learn more about him here - http://www.futuredreams.co.nz/default.asp?PageID=994) and then I came across this article by him on the xtri.com website which you're all probably familiar with:

http://www.xtri.com/article.asp?id=1456

...have a read and see what you think - very interesting stuff. So here's my question - do you train specifically for open water swimming closer to the season and what do you think of when I say "specific to open water", as there are many ways of doing this and I thought it would be good to share our ideas on this.

Thanks

Paul
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:01 am    Post subject: Stroke Rate Versus Stroke Length Reply with quote

...and here's another one by the same guy about stroke rate versus stroke length which is also pertinent to open water swimming and those of us less-endowed in the height department!

http://www.xtri.com/article.asp?id=709
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh my Lord !

I just read the begining of one article, and I stopped Very Happy (really laughin out loud at the moment Very Happy ) Sorry, I am gonna read them tomorrow.

Not sure this tritalk site is ready for this mate ! Very Happy

Of course all that is true (but let me tell you, you're swimming against the current big time here...)

I'll just say that this is a case where there is no right, no wrong (that is the first thing I have ever said, to Appolo_tim, about this topic, on the first thread I participated here).

I do have a strong opinion on LD swimming for having been in many boats, remembering those lousy boat drivers, becoming unable to drive a constant slow speed, after 4 hours of race.

One even brought some Marijuana once, the motherf.... I totally refused to allow him to smoke his own pot, was treatening him to splash the whole thing with water. He didn't smoke, we finished 2nd on a World cup event, and even after the race, he confessed being way too tired to actually smoke his herbs.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

.... I'll get back when I have a couple of days free!!

On the subject of OW training, I train in a very calm lake, so I get three things out of it:

- sighting
- drafting
- swimming for long peroiod without a break
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For open water wetsuit swim, compared to the pool :

1. Body higher out of the water.
2. Straight arm recovery.

Over 400 metres I can swim 5:00 in a wetsuit, more like 5:30 without. I also feel much more 'natural' in the water. Wetsuit swimming rocks !
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to admit that I very rarely do any open water training in the summer despite living right by the sea. I will try to do more when the summer comes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have every intention of doing a fair whack of OW training this year - both Tri (ie wetsuit) and true OW (no wetsuit). I've gone as far as registering with the ASA for OW as well as Masters this year, and I'm going to enter the 3K at the World Masters in Aug.

Think I'll give it another month at least before I start regular OW training tho'.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CJBrown wrote:
I've gone as far as registering with the ASA for OW as well as Masters this year, and I'm going to enter the 3K at the World Masters in Aug.
You may even have a chance to met Terry Laughlin. I don't know, he may be there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I haven't had a chance to follow the links yet...

I do the majority of my swimming in a pool and it is all pool technique.
I will also do open water practise / training at Heron Lake when I can.

I do not get the chance to do O/W work during my pool swimming sessions.
So I only get to practise sighting, bouy turns, deep water starts, etc. in O/W.

So far, I haven't had a major problem switching between the two techniques.
My wetsuit has no 5mm, so my body position is very similar in both cases.

However, coming from a swimming background means O/W holds no fear for me.
I am sure there is an element of fear that makes O/W tricky for poor swimmers.

Swim Strong, Paul. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SolarEnergy wrote:
CJBrown wrote:
I've gone as far as registering with the ASA for OW as well as Masters this year, and I'm going to enter the 3K at the World Masters in Aug.
You may even have a chance to met Terry Laughlin. I don't know, he may be there.


I'm really looking forwards to the meet. And its funny how much easier it is to persuade the g/f to come to a week-long swim meet in San Francisco than it is to get her to a weekend meet in Milton Keynes.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul L wrote:
Sorry I haven't had a chance to follow the links yet...

I do the majority of my swimming in a pool and it is all pool technique.
I will also do open water practise / training at Heron Lake when I can.

I do not get the chance to do O/W work during my pool swimming sessions.
So I only get to practise sighting, bouy turns, deep water starts, etc. in O/W.

So far, I haven't had a major problem switching between the two techniques.
My wetsuit has no 5mm, so my body position is very similar in both cases.

However, coming from a swimming background means O/W holds no fear for me.
I am sure there is an element of fear that makes O/W tricky for poor swimmers.

Swim Strong, Paul. Very Happy


Some key points here However, coming from a swimming background means O/W holds no fear for me.

This is the most important part of open water swimming getting over the fear factor, once that is done or at least pushed to the back room nothing usefull can take place. If you have no fear then its on with the learning.

Dirty Davey Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:00 am

-I have to admit that I very rarely do any open water training in the summer despite living right by the sea. I will try to do more when the summer comes.

Ever done any sighting drills? mass starts practice? t shirt swims(wet suit drill)? deep water starts? shallow water starts? hypoxic drills? etc etc with your old man of a coach Razz Summer and Winter.

There are many many practises and things to understand about OW swimming in lake rivers and the sea, they are all different. As this thread evolves hopefully we can explain them all.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I finally get into the pool, and start swimming, only to find out that there is a special open water way of swimming.....so that makes 3 styles....pool, open water and my "style"

Anyone ever done this type of training?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wilbur4s wrote:
So I finally get into the pool, and start swimming, only to find out that there is a special open water way of swimming.....so that makes 3 styles....pool, open water and my "style"

Anyone ever done this type of training?

http://home.comcast.net/~janlcox/CliffBarClip.mpeg


Yup all of us Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also need to stay on the feet of the person in front. This requires me to look forward and not down into the murky depths.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't swim in a wetsuit half as well as I can without one.

OW 750m - 11.30
Pool 750m - 9.40

hmmmm...........must have some wetsuit swimming lessons!
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