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slowpoke rodriguez




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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 10:53 am    Post subject: VO2 max tests etc Reply with quote

I watched this program the other night about science in sport where they got John Mayock (UK 1500m runner) and put him through a load of fitness tests - vo2 max, lactate etc. On analyzing the results they found out that despite all the years he's been a 1500m runner he was actually more suited to 3000m or 5000m.

I was amazed at what this sort of testing can tell you - presumably then you could have it done and it would tell you whether you're suited to sprint tri's or ironman (or give up alltogether!). At the very least it would be an excellent benchmark of your fitness. It also tells you a great deal about the sort of training you should be doing eg that strength is ok but endurance needs improving and you can tailor your training program around that.

So has anyone ever had this done? Where would you go and is it expensive? Is it any good?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slowpoke,

Some fitness centres provide this service for free to their members, or for a small fee. And others may have a day every year where they provide an open fitness test.

I had a full fitness test (fat perc, lung capacity, vo2, etc) carried out at my last fitness centre for 2 years on the trot and found it quite usefull to see how you've improved.

The only other way to get it done free is as part of a scientific fitness trial/test carried out at sports science laboratories or medical centres. That's if you dont mind being a guinea pig. You'd have to look around.

Otherwise, it'll usually cost you 50+.
There's a vo2 max test available in the midlands - check out ebay here : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3627063877&category=310

You can have cheaper versions carried out where you sit on special calibrated bikes and they take HR readings as they increase resistance. Same can be done on treadmills. But the real tests require you to breathe into a face mask at the same time.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had a VO2 max test done as part of someone's research at Loughborough Uni. It's bloody hard work (to exhaustion) on a treadmill. It really is only of use if you are going to get it done regularly. I know mine is 65.2 but what does that tell me!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not much.. but it tells us .. you're rubbish Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the low down of the service from the ebay link - fwiw

What i am offering is a service and not a product (I hope that is not a
problem).

The services we offer here are always tailored to the athletes' (cyclist,
runner, or triathletes) individual needs, and also priced
accordingly. However, to give you an example, a sub-maximal
economy/efficiency test, and a max power/speed test (which also determine
max and training heart rate zone, and VO2max), with results feedback, and
brief consultation (total 2 to 2:30 hr appointment) would cost 100 (this
is what you have seen on ebay currently listed at 60). Lactates, body
fats, dietary analysis would carry an additional cost, as would other
methods of testing (eg swim testing or sprint testing), this would need to
be discussed in advance and would cost an additional amount to the ebay price.

As a triathlete, you would have the option of being tested for just one
sport (either bike or run) dependant on your needs (as currently listed on
ebay), or undertake testing for both sports in a double appointment,
(normally 200 but I would offer the second test for the same price as the
first). Obviously it would be best to discuss your exact situation, goals
and aims for next season, and plan accordingly.

If you wish to pursue this please feel free to give me a call, or let me
know when it would and how it be best to contact you.

You also asked about the training information. As a result of the testing
we sit down and look at your needs for the performance goals that you have,
this is then followed by a discussion of the type and nature of training
that is suitable. At this session you would be provided with one of two
options (again according to your needs) these are either provision of a
typical training cycle for the next 2-3 months, or a very specific schedule
for a month on a daily basis. These schedules are not computer generated,
and are designed with athletes needs and lifestyle in mind.

If you wish to pursue individualised training following the initial
session, this is something that is arranged on an individual basis, but it
is possible to arrange an on-going training programme which is supported
with heart-rate monitoring. This would be arranged according to your
strengths and weaknesses, the use of lab testing, and arranged according to
you work and personal commitments. This season one of the athletes I have
coached has reduced their Olympic distance time by over 15 min!

Again, if you want more information, or would like to make a booking for
laboratory testing please let me know.

I hope this information is of use.

Kind regards,

Garry




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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a high score (TTs) isnt it!?

I wouldn't mind having one carried out as part of a trial. I did see one in London someone but it included muscle biopsy's, etc. Now ay I'm having my muscles sliced for anyone Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the sound of what's being offered on the ebay service - but reading between the lines I think to get the most from it could cost big bucks. The 60 seems to just get you the basic information on it's own. As TT says, just knowing your VO2 max in isolation is of limited use - it's main value is in being one of the tools to come up with a suitable training program which costs extra, as does some of the other tests that are equally important such as lactate and to a lesser extent body fat etc.

I gather that to have an individually tailored training program can cost something like 40 - 50 per month.

I'd love to have all the tests done but the cost rules it out. It would make an excellent present though. My Birthday is in May Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slowpoke, you can do a few little tests yourself.

I bought a peak flow meter from Boots (about 12 I think). Bought it originally as had breathing probs associated with tonsillitis a few years back. But its useful for letting you know how strong your lungs are (ml/sec). Can be quite handy if you are using a Power Breathe/Lung at the same time.

If you know how to use fat callipers then you can buy a pair of these and get fat % measurements. These are a little more expensive.

There are also various ways of determining your lactate threshold by running or cycling. But I guess none would be as accurate as a lab test Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are numerous ways of determining your lactate threshold which can be done on a turbo or treadmill pretty accurately, and with this you can monitor your progress easily.

As I said before I have no idea what you can use your VO2 max score for, although you do get a max heart rate value out of it - so is it really worth the money?.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can someone please esplain what the VO2 max is?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Runners World carried an advert for a discounted fitness asessment at Lilleshall last year. As it's only up the road from where I live I went along and had a dietary analysis, posture/stretchy (not too technical for you, I hope) analysis and then a fitness analysis. The diet bit required me to record what I ate over a 3-day period - weighing portions etc - and from that they told me what I was deficient in (zinc, as it happened!). The posture bit was a series of exercises/stretches designed to see where I was flexible, where not and gave me a series of exercises to improve.
The fitness analysis was body fat, blood profile, cholestrol then a treadmill-based session to mesure VO2 max (53), Max HR (190) and blood lactate accumulation.
It cost about 200 or thereabouts and was excellent.
Steve-O: to quote from my assessment "An individual's maximum oxygen uptake value (VO2 max) represents the maximal amount of oxygen that can be taken up and used at sea level...The units that maximum oxygen uptake values are measured in are millilitres of oxygen per kilo of body weight per minute (ml.kg-1min-1)...Sedentary inactive individuals have values of around 20 compared to an average of around 40 for healthy active males. Professional male games players - fotball and hockey - should reach values of between 55-65. Many studies have confirmed the existence of VO2 max values of between 70 and 80 in succesful male marathon runners able to complete the distance in less than 2h30m"

Hope that helps

CJ
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve-O

I think it's the maximum amount of oxygen that you are capable of using -someone can probably give you a better answer than that. It's measured by collecting (and measuring) your air exhaled in a minute while at a maximum effort.

The numbers given are also standardised for body weight so you can vastly improve your score by dropping a few pounds.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers CJ there's a better explanation! Very Happy

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