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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can't work out from the original post whether he actually fed back his concerns with the bike to Dimond as he was going on or if he just kept going with something he wasn't happy with and only told them he thought the bikes were dangerous when he'd decided to go elsewhere


From what I've read on his thread, he sat on his hands, and didn't make his concerns known at the time; if he had done, and documented them, then I'd imagine he'd have a fairly watertight case already. Either way, what with this and the other Dimond thread on there, they are having their 'United Airlines moment', and for a small/niche company I think that will be their undoing.

Still, if you were a competent engineer, you might be able to pick a Dimond up really cheap soon (in the US), and make good on it.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How long have you been waiting to use that one? Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without doubt one of the best ST threads ever.

Strange thing is that he is employed/contracted by ST and it appears he's committing a very public suicide on the site.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Strange thing is that he is employed/contracted by ST and it appears he's committing a very public suicide on the site.


I cannot for the life of me, understand why the thread is still there; Dimond's lawyers may well have a field day. Not sure what Rapp/Sloman are playing at. Whilst it appears Rapp is generally a very good fellow, he's been pretty naive & exposed himself as somewhat of a hypocrite here.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
FatPom wrote:
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How long have you been waiting to use that one? Laughing


I was going to with 'live by the shill, die by the shill' Very Happy

I hope the thread doesn't get pulled, I'm only up to page 6 and about to catch my train!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The highlight has to be the plan to help all humanity...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's a good one isn't it? I imagine a rabid yank, wild eyed at the possibilities some minor bicycle innovation he's just heard ending world hunger.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The highlight has to be the plan to help all humanity...


It's a good one isn't it? I imagine a rabid yank, wild eyed at the possibilities some minor bicycle innovation he's just heard ending world hunger.


a carbon framed bike with a 3 gear sturmey archer plough attachment, seed drill and optional aerodynamic crop hydration system
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not read the whole ST thread, but given the allegations that are being made that Dimond bikes are unsafe, I wonder whether any of this relates to the fact that the ITU have not approved it for use in non-drafting events as they have done for Ventum, Cervelo and Reap - with the latter 2 having a similar frame design to Dimond.

http://www.triathlon.org/uploads/docs/itu_sport_Non_traditional_or_unusual_bikes_approved_to_be_used_in_ITU_draft_illegal_competitions_20140424.pdf

the ITU criteria for approval is based around crash testing and supporting documentation has to be provided to gain approval

just a thought.... Smile
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fat buddha wrote:
I've not read the whole ST thread, but given the allegations that are being made that Dimond bikes are unsafe, I wonder whether any of this relates to the fact that the ITU have not approved it for use in non-drafting events as they have done for Ventum, Cervelo and Reap - with the latter 2 having a similar frame design to Dimond.

http://www.triathlon.org/uploads/docs/itu_sport_Non_traditional_or_unusual_bikes_approved_to_be_used_in_ITU_draft_illegal_competitions_20140424.pdf

the ITU criteria for approval is based around crash testing and supporting document has to be provided to gain approval

just a thought.... Smile


ITU approval is based on submission for testing, is it not?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
fat buddha wrote:
I've not read the whole ST thread, but given the allegations that are being made that Dimond bikes are unsafe, I wonder whether any of this relates to the fact that the ITU have not approved it for use in non-drafting events as they have done for Ventum, Cervelo and Reap - with the latter 2 having a similar frame design to Dimond.

http://www.triathlon.org/uploads/docs/itu_sport_Non_traditional_or_unusual_bikes_approved_to_be_used_in_ITU_draft_illegal_competitions_20140424.pdf

the ITU criteria for approval is based around crash testing and supporting document has to be provided to gain approval

just a thought.... Smile


ITU approval is based on submission for testing, is it not?


as far as I understand it, although I'm not familiar with the whole process. now, that's not to say that Dimond has ever submitted for approval; or that the ITU have knocked any approval back based on data received, but maybe there's something there. or maybe I'm just reading too much into matters!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fat buddha wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
fat buddha wrote:
I've not read the whole ST thread, but given the allegations that are being made that Dimond bikes are unsafe, I wonder whether any of this relates to the fact that the ITU have not approved it for use in non-drafting events as they have done for Ventum, Cervelo and Reap - with the latter 2 having a similar frame design to Dimond.

http://www.triathlon.org/uploads/docs/itu_sport_Non_traditional_or_unusual_bikes_approved_to_be_used_in_ITU_draft_illegal_competitions_20140424.pdf

the ITU criteria for approval is based around crash testing and supporting document has to be provided to gain approval

just a thought.... Smile


ITU approval is based on submission for testing, is it not?


as far as I understand it, although I'm not familiar with the whole process. now, that's not to say that Dimond has ever submitted for approval; or that the ITU have knocked any approval back based on data received, but maybe there's something there. or maybe I'm just reading too much into matters!


that....thank you....otherwise you will have STers trolling TT awaiting our own demise...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got no experience of beam bikes, but it seems to me that the interface between the two bits of frame is a major potential failure point and introduces risks that aren't there in a frame where all of the tubes are welded/bonded together.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've got no experience of beam bikes, but it seems to me that the interface between the two bits of frame is a major potential failure point and introduces risks that aren't there in a frame where all of the tubes are welded/bonded together.


my Zipp worked well for years...eventually the carbon fatigued and it began to flex...it never 'failed' though, it just became less stable through corners and less power was translated into progress..
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