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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aren't we ignoring the fact that UCI/ITU rules prohibit beam bikes.

Or has that changed?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
Aren't we ignoring the fact that UCI/ITU rules prohibit beam bikes.

Or has that changed?


the ITU has changed this in the last couple of years and bikes of a "non traditional" or "unusual" design - as per beam bikes - can now be approved for non-drafting events. manufacturers need to supply various criteria such as crash safety data to get approval and so far, only the Ventum, Reap and Cervelo P5X have been approved.

approval list here - http://www.triathlon.org/uploads/docs/itu_sport_Non_traditional_or_unusual_bikes_approved_to_be_used_in_ITU_draft_illegal_competitions_20140424.pdf

interestingly, Reap are British - http://reapbikes.com/. anyone recognise the rider in the video?? (EDIT: it's Kevin Dawson)

and of course, Ironman can do what they want as they have their own rules for major events such as Kona
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So actually, if I got a Dimond for $500 next year, it would be useless for races in the UK, does that include WTC events here? It begs the question why so many people have bought them (mainly USA granted) if that's the case i.e. Ironman only.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
So actually, if I got a Dimond for $500 next year, it would be useless for races in the UK, does that include WTC events here? It begs the question why so many people have bought them (mainly USA granted) if that's the case i.e. Ironman only.


you wouldn't be able to race a Dimond in events under BTF or ITU rules as it's not approved. so only in events not run under these - and that's mainly Ironman, but even there many IM events are run under national Federation rules such as the IMs in UK and France for example.

confusing? yep.

one UK Dimond owner at least knows he can't race one under BTF rules as we've had the talk.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://trstriathlon.com/dimond-response-jordan-rapps-claims/
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, in that case, you'd think Dimond would want to get the bike approved, so they can sell more. The fact they haven't submitted it to approval is therefore telling, perhaps.

The Dimond Press Release does make some valid observations too.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hammerer wrote:
http://trstriathlon.com/dimond-response-jordan-rapps-claims/


I bet the lawyers for both sides are rubbing their hands with glee
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fat buddha wrote:
hammerer wrote:
http://trstriathlon.com/dimond-response-jordan-rapps-claims/


I bet the lawyers for both sides are rubbing their hands with glee


Hmm. That's the pity of it.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
Well, in that case, you'd think Dimond would want to get the bike approved, so they can sell more. The fact they haven't submitted it to approval is therefore telling, perhaps.


I mentioned that on the previous page but I have no insight into whether they have or have not submitted, or if they have submitted, whether it's been rejected. this must remain speculation.

and I'm not entirely sure whether getting ITU approval will help them sell more, although it likely won't hinder, as the market for these bikes is pretty small anyway given the price tags on them.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a Dimond at the National Relays this year. Lovely looking thing and I'm fascinated by the non-traditional designs but, at 100kg, I just don't think I could put my faith in that structure.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fat buddha wrote:

one UK Dimond owner at least knows he can't race one under BTF rules as we've had the talk.


Is that the one that is always om Facebook tri sales groups? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there was a nice looking Falco at Bolton last year.
Any info on that brand?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the thread on the guys who lost his show in transition was going to be a stormer (the number of folk instantly concluding it was sabotage) but this one took over.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaRok2300 wrote:
There was a Dimond at the National Relays this year. Lovely looking thing and I'm fascinated by the non-traditional designs but, at 100kg, I just don't think I could put my faith in that structure.


was he DQ'd...?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

its all very unprofessional, i am very surprised that JR being a professional has taken this imature action.
he will find it difficult now to get sponsers & have a big legal bill to pay.
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