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fat buddha




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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

smudge002 wrote:
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hammerer wrote:
3rd year running I've DNS at 7oaks due to illness. Maybe one day I'll get back. Has KCC sorted the roads yet Wink

oh and yes this is probably the best local race there is, at least club run. Just a shame there's no lake in 7oaks leisure centre as that would make it perfect


you weren't the only DNS - nearly 30% of entries didn't show on the day. that's a lot higher than normal and we wondered if the cold, grey, overcast weather had a part to play.


Do you think they would ever consider entries on the day? For the first time in six years I didn't start this year due to other plans. However, my plans changed fairly late on and I could have easily rocked up on the morning and competed.


that's a tough one to answer. the race had sold out well in advance of the event (they are restricted on numbers due to transition size) and if they sold EODs, you can bet that all paid entries would then turn up! the only way they could manage EODs is to hold some back, but frankly if they can sell out, why should they do this?? money in the bank and all that
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess having the ability to accept on the day entries for no shows is extra revenue, but with a pool based event, the start time for each athlete normally have to be fairly fixed right, in terms of chip timing working properly? So there'd likely be basically no time between being 100% sure someone is a no-show and being able to register an "on the dayer" before they were needed to start.

Unless you have registration close at a fixed time before the first person is off, and then for the later "no shows", there could be plenty of time to slot someone else in (but even then you need to be sure they aren't going to balls up the swim seeding).
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Unless you have registration close at a fixed time before the first person is off, and then for the later "no shows", there could be plenty of time to slot someone else in (but even then you need to be sure they aren't going to balls up the swim seeding).


the problem there - and certainly at S'oaks - is that swim times started at 6:30 and the last went off at 9:50 (or thereabouts). so later starters didn't turn up until after 9am. there's no real way you can have a fixed registration closure time that would suit all
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure how we manage the swim start times, because I've never been on poolside helping out. However, a lot of other pool based tris, it seems to be a case of turn up and swim whenever you want. Would only add more confusion in if last minute OTD entries were accepted
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fat buddha wrote:
stenard wrote:
Unless you have registration close at a fixed time before the first person is off, and then for the later "no shows", there could be plenty of time to slot someone else in (but even then you need to be sure they aren't going to balls up the swim seeding).


the problem there - and certainly at S'oaks - is that swim times started at 6:30 and the last went off at 9:50 (or thereabouts). so later starters didn't turn up until after 9am. there's no real way you can have a fixed registration closure time that would suit all

Race like Thames Turbo require all athletes, regardless of start time, to register before the first person starts their race, so in those kind of situations, it could work. However a rolling registration is clearly not going to.
TriSam wrote:
However, a lot of other pool based tris, it seems to be a case of turn up and swim whenever you want. Would only add more confusion in if last minute OTD entries were accepted

I've never done a pool race like that. Every single one (I've done about 4 or 5 different locations) require you to notify in advance of your anticipated swim times, and then its either seeded waves, or a rolling start with an up and down snake, with the plan being that if everyone has predicted accurately, noone should get held up.

If a race was a pool swim free for all, I would never sign up.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stenard wrote:
fat buddha wrote:
stenard wrote:
Unless you have registration close at a fixed time before the first person is off, and then for the later "no shows", there could be plenty of time to slot someone else in (but even then you need to be sure they aren't going to balls up the swim seeding).


the problem there - and certainly at S'oaks - is that swim times started at 6:30 and the last went off at 9:50 (or thereabouts). so later starters didn't turn up until after 9am. there's no real way you can have a fixed registration closure time that would suit all

Race like Thames Turbo require all athletes, regardless of start time, to register before the first person starts their race, so in those kind of situations, it could work. However a rolling registration is clearly not going to.


from what I've read. the registration cut off and single race briefing doesn't go down well with the later starters who have to hang around for some considerable time. I don't think there's an easy solution to this that can satisfy both EODs and organisers.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fat buddha wrote:
stenard wrote:
fat buddha wrote:
stenard wrote:
Unless you have registration close at a fixed time before the first person is off, and then for the later "no shows", there could be plenty of time to slot someone else in (but even then you need to be sure they aren't going to balls up the swim seeding).


the problem there - and certainly at S'oaks - is that swim times started at 6:30 and the last went off at 9:50 (or thereabouts). so later starters didn't turn up until after 9am. there's no real way you can have a fixed registration closure time that would suit all

Race like Thames Turbo require all athletes, regardless of start time, to register before the first person starts their race, so in those kind of situations, it could work. However a rolling registration is clearly not going to.


from what I've read. the registration cut off and single race briefing doesn't go down well with the later starters who have to hang around for some considerable time. I don't think there's an easy solution to this that can satisfy both EODs and organisers.

Definitely! I said the same thing on the event thread for that race. But if you're going to have that setup, you might as well at least reuse the space of no-shows I would have thought.

I went along to watch/support at Thames Turbo. Had that been an option, I would have probably raced on the day just as something to do. A handful of people doing that, and they'd have got another 500+ of revenue which isnt insignificant
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