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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 11:38 am    Post subject: Election question Reply with quote

The news is reporting that the Conservatives are going to be upping their personal attacks on Corbin this week. I know this is standard fare in British politics (sadly), but I do wonder why we need to 'attack the person' when surely those who govern us should be 'above all that'.

Forgetting about the specific people involved, do you think that it is reasonable for people who either, or want to, govern a nation, to resort to personal attacks?

A bit naieve I know but surely your track record should speak for you, and if you have to resort to 'name calling' then seriously is that an indicator of wise leadership?


Don't get me wrong I used to be a Tory party member in my youth, and while Cameron and Co annoyed me with their policies that that have sucker punched a lot of people, I really was close to moving from a floating voter (LibDems then Labour (after the coalition sell out)) to voting for May.

I just don't see that happening in a weeks time now. And I am at a genuine loss as who to vote for.

Out of curiosity, is anyone else here saddened at how politics in Britain seems little more than 'bairns in the playground'? I know we have better politics than many other nations, but that isn't the point.

I guess little will change until funders demand higher standards.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the word 'attack' is used across all media mainly by those who have lived in a generation where they have had little to fear....it is also used predominantly by post modernists who see anything short of total compliance as attack rather than debate or alternative opinion

last week should have brought home that there are more appropriate uses of the work
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ejc I agree with you on this.

However, we are where we are, and that is what is being reported to be being done.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Election question Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:
The news is reporting that the Conservatives are going to be upping their personal attacks on Corbin this week. I know this is standard fare in British politics (sadly).


You're kidding right? Live through a few Aussie elections (state and federal) and you'll see the British version looks like a team building love in by comparison.

The Tories don't need to do anything to Corbyn, just point Abbott towards a camera and she'll do all their work for them. Cool


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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do realise that politics globally is all about power. Egos, control. Money. Etc.

However, the idealist in me, just gets saddened at how, with so much at stake, the quality of life of people, people's prospects, etc, that when you boil it down, we are even at such heightly levels just acting like children, name calling etc.

Clearly the media have a big hand in this as well.

Hopefully one day party funders will demand that politicians act better, but I am not holding my breath.

You don't improve a society by acting like Bairns in a playground. You do it by helping those who have fallen get back up, by helping provide opportunities, and by wise leadership that, as far as possible, is not ideological and which fairly assesses all aspects of an issue.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not sure i know of any leadership that is not ideologically based...
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Election question Reply with quote

oops, user error. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a 17yr old due to start uni in Sep, probably for 5-7 yrs. Never would have considered it before but any reason why I wouldn't vote for Corbyn? Don't really have a proper job at the moment and most of my income is not really taxable.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a popularity contest it is indeed better to play the man, not the ball.

To be "above all that" might be intellectually satisfying, but is also to completely misunderstand representative democracy.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony Stark wrote:
Never would have considered it before but any reason why I wouldn't vote for Corbyn?


It will end up taxable and your son will never get a job because the economy will crash as Labour tax the companies out of the country to build up anotehr deficit, the debt levels with skyrocket as interest rises due to government spending plans and of course, if you have a house, your council tax will also skyrocket as council tax will be replaced by a land value tax.

No reasons at all, unless you are economically illiterate. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tin Pot wrote:
In a popularity contest it is indeed better to play the man, not the ball.

To be "above all that" might be intellectually satisfying, but is also to completely misunderstand representative democracy.
sadly I agree Tin Pot, however just because we act like bairns in the playground, doesn't mean that we should.

We expect high standards from accountants, lawyers, engineers, doctors, etc, so why not from those who make crucial decisions that affect us all?

As someone who could be homeless next year (very much a worst case scenario but not implausible) I think about this sort of thing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't like Cruella May and I would wager she's not too popular among her senior colleagues either. Strikes me as a cold political opportunist who's moral fibre doesn't live up to her ambition. Jezzer, well he's an idealist and we know how well ideals live-up to the real world. Farron is no Ashdown/Clegg either. What with the Brexit saga playing in the background, we do seem in a bit of a pickle.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
I just don't like Cruella May and I would wager she's not too popular among her senior colleagues either. Strikes me as a cold political opportunist who's moral fibre doesn't live up to her ambition. Jezzer, well he's an idealist and we know how well ideals live-up to the real world. Farron is no Ashdown/Clegg either. What with the Brexit saga playing in the background, we do seem in a bit of a pickle.


+1 I can't see any preferable option at the moment
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SidSnot wrote:
Jorgan wrote:
I just don't like Cruella May and I would wager she's not too popular among her senior colleagues either. Strikes me as a cold political opportunist who's moral fibre doesn't live up to her ambition. Jezzer, well he's an idealist and we know how well ideals live-up to the real world. Farron is no Ashdown/Clegg either. What with the Brexit saga playing in the background, we do seem in a bit of a pickle.


+1 I can't see any preferable option at the moment


There isn't but on balance, I'd rather see someone decisive steering the ship than a lot of hand wringing luvvies. At some point, the country has get some momentum.

Hope isn't a plan.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you get the chance, a good way to put your prospective MP on the spot, is to ask them to clarify their position on Fox Hunting ahead of a vote. A rather tricky one around here on the fringes of the Cotswolds Smile

Tories are defending a very slim majority on the Lib Dems here (2 horse race) and their desperation is showing in the sheer amount of junk mail we're getting.
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