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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I see Corbyn is claiming that Labour 'clearly' won the election ....

Someone tell him please ....


http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/jubilant-corbyn-celebrates-defeat-by-an-idiot-20170609129135

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Labour arguably won the argument, but clearly not the election.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Labour arguably won the argument, but clearly not the election.


How can you win an argument when you got less votes and less seats exactly ?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GrahamO wrote:
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Labour arguably won the argument, but clearly not the election.


How can you win an argument when you got less votes and less seats exactly ?
you have seen the election results haven't you? Labour won more seats, 29 or something. Meanwhile May lost her majority.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:
GrahamO wrote:
SloggingScotsman wrote:
Labour arguably won the argument, but clearly not the election.


How can you win an argument when you got less votes and less seats exactly ?
you have seen the election results haven't you? Labour won more seats, 29 or something. Meanwhile May lost her majority.


Its the Labour way, rewarding failure. No one loses, its all about the taking part. I'm surprised Corbyn hasn't got a finishers medal and had an election Tattoo done yet.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hammerer wrote:
SloggingScotsman wrote:
GrahamO wrote:
SloggingScotsman wrote:
Labour arguably won the argument, but clearly not the election.


How can you win an argument when you got less votes and less seats exactly ?
you have seen the election results haven't you? Labour won more seats, 29 or something. Meanwhile May lost her majority.


Its the Labour way, rewarding failure. No one loses, its all about the taking part. I'm surprised Corbyn hasn't got a finishers medal and had an election Tattoo done yet.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serious question

If you have never failed at anything, through education, how do you cope at a job interview when you are rejected?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:
GrahamO wrote:
SloggingScotsman wrote:
Labour arguably won the argument, but clearly not the election.


How can you win an argument when you got less votes and less seats exactly ?
you have seen the election results haven't you? Labour won more seats, 29 or something. Meanwhile May lost her majority.


Labour gained seats, but they were still a long way off being in a position to form a government.

"Winning" the argument would have had them overturning the majority by enough to either form a government by themselves or in a simple coalition.

The Tory position is significantly weakened, but for now they are still the party in power.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Serious question

If you have never failed at anything, through education, how do you cope at a job interview when you are rejected?


Ive failed at a few things, but that's life, there are winners and losers and the losers need to pick them selves up and go again. Telling kids they are all winners, or its uncompetitive is dooming them to a life of rejection and inability to handle it. In the same sense Corbyn is celebrating like hes won but the facts are hes in the same position as yesterday, still not PM and still with no authority in the Brexit negotiations. He lost. he improved but thats like saying to a kids football team, you lost 10-0 last week but this week it was only 10-1. You are all winners now. No, you still lost, you scored a goals but you are still bottom of the table Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you have seen the election results haven't you? Labour won more seats, 29 or something. Meanwhile May lost her majority.


No, Labour have less seats than the Tories.

They got less of the popular vote. Massive bribery attempt on the public and they still didn't vote enough for you in enough numbers. the losers don't get to have what he promised - they get nothing and all the little snowflakes who voted for him, in their first ever election, learn that voting doesn't get you your way.

Thats called losing.

Typical left wing attitude - expecting rewards for failure and for trying hard.

http://oliveremberton.com/2014/the-problem-isnt-that-life-is-unfair-its-your-broken-idea-of-fairness/
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GrahamO

Ok


Just don't underestimate the 'momentum' power of what he has achieved, relatively speaking, and on how that could play out if there is an election in a few months time. When people start moving in one direction it can evolve fast.

Corbyns team now see what is doable, people also see what is now possible. Discount that at political peril.

I know that if I were TM I would be thinking very carefully about how to avoid another election this year for these reasons. Though obviously other spanners could enter the works from any direction.

(For clarity this isn't a (Brexit or Trump like) prediction, just an analysis of where I would currently put my money if I were betting on the outcome of another election this year).
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Corbyns team now see what is doable, people also see what is now possible. .


And they still didnt vote for him despite the most ludicrous financial promises - you think he'll get even more votes for promising even more ?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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SloggingScotsman wrote:
Corbyns team now see what is doable, people also see what is now possible. .


And they still didnt vote for him despite the most ludicrous financial promises - you think he'll get even more votes for promising even more ?
you are missing the precise point GrahamO.

Think of it like the four minute mile. That was impossible until Bannister, then several,others did it in short order. That's the point.

Illustrated another way, look at Trump and Macron. The forces are similar.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:

Corbyns team now see what is doable, people also see what is now possible. Discount that at political peril.



You're assuming that the Tories would fight another election in the same way as they've just fought this one. Do you think if we had a re-run of the EU referendum the "Remain" side would run the same campaign?

If it did look like another election was required to create a functioning government then I can't see the Tories keeping Theresa May as their leader. I think the last campaign has shown that she just isn't popular with the electorate.

I think they'll also learn their lessons about "dementia tax", winter fuel allowance and fox hunting when they come to write their manifesto Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:
you are missing the precise point GrahamO.

Think of it like the four minute mile. That was impossible until Bannister, then several,others did it in short order. That's the point.

Illustrated another way, look at Trump and Macron. The forces are similar.


No, Corbyn in a drug (cash promises) fuelled race still only came in second place - whether he did it under 4 minutes was irrelevant as the other lot were ahead.

Promising more drugs for the economy wont make him any better a competitor. Because there are still more voters who will not fall for his false promises than who will vote for anyone promising cash for free. You just have to look at Greece to see what happens when politicians do that.

At the end of the day, Corbyn is an economic disaster whose solution to everything is make someone else pay and print money. And he'll be long dead by the time the damage is repaired.

BTW, Trump and Macron are a lot more right wing than Corbyn. More Cobynish means less like Trump or Macron.
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