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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...You know valve extenders?

What would happen if you loosened one, not all the way, just a bit?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have gotten to T1 to find my rear wheel flat (disc). I shoved a can of foam & a CO2 into it, and it went soft again about 20 min later. Ultimately I found it was a loose valve core, caused by me fiddling about with the tight valve clearance in the disc recess. I always check my valve cores now!

Tin Pot wrote:
...You know valve extenders?

What would happen if you loosened one, not all the way, just a bit?


You should normally have them tight enough that they cannot be loosened by hand, and the bit where the mini spanner goes is inside the rim. Mine are.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see the official story of this has now broke and she has a pretty chequered history.

I'm a bit concerned about the double letter issue though so, as someone with a double letter in their surname, can I state here on public record.

If I ever win anything you can be certain, without any shadow of a doubt, that I must have cheated!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lost all sympathy for the victim now, pro's racing age group...

Got to go with the Canadian women Kona Qualifying at Lake Placid anyway...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaRok2300 wrote:
I see the official story of this has now broke and she has a pretty chequered history.

I'm a bit concerned about the double letter issue though so, as someone with a double letter in their surname, can I state here on public record.

If I ever win anything you can be certain, without any shadow of a doubt, that I must have cheated!


I have two sets of double letters in my surname, and based on a combination of historical performance and dubious physical shape I can guarantee if I ever win anything I will either have cheated or been the only entrant.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lost all sympathy for the victim now, pro's racing age group...

Got to go with the Canadian women Kona Qualifying at Lake Placid anyway...


You what? A former pro wants to race in her vet category AG and you've lost all sympathy with the fact that someone sabotaged her bike? What's she supposed to do - stop something she loves to do because she was good?

Won't be racking next to you when I get a bit older then :-O
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hectorsaurus wrote:
jibberjim wrote:
Lost all sympathy for the victim now, pro's racing age group...

Got to go with the Canadian women Kona Qualifying at Lake Placid anyway...


You what? A former pro wants to race in her vet category AG and you've lost all sympathy with the fact that someone sabotaged her bike? What's she supposed to do - stop something she loves to do because she was good?

Won't be racking next to you when I get a bit older then :-O


That...the sport is full of ex professionals...train harder and beat them is the answer, not cheat...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did find Jim's response slightly curious; wasn't sure if he was baiting a hook.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldnt regard competing against a former professional in any amateur sport a fair fight.

Nothing justifies cheating though, obvs.

I see she has apologised and blamed her eating disorder.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tin Pot wrote:
I wouldnt regard competing against a former professional in any amateur sport a fair fight.

Nothing justifies cheating though, obvs.

I see she has apologised and blamed her eating disorder.


The race is a fair fight....it's life that is unfair and like all tests, a race simply highlights aspects of this unfairness
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't realise it was a serious thread...

I do think though that when you have artificial categories created to enable "prizes", then you don't exploit those categories to help you get a prize. So once you take the benefits of competing in one category, you don't swap to another later when you find the benefits aren't big enough.

IM's fault mostly though, the benefits of a pro-card should disqualify you from the amateur races for 10 years or something significant enough that you are an old fogey.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
Tin Pot wrote:
I wouldnt regard competing against a former professional in any amateur sport a fair fight.

Nothing justifies cheating though, obvs.

I see she has apologised and blamed her eating disorder.


The race is a fair fight....it's life that is unfair and like all tests, a race simply highlights aspects of this unfairness


So, in fact you are agreeing the race is unfair because life is unfair. Smile

Just because the rules are the same for both competitors doesn't make it fair; A retired Mike Tyson vs Joe Amateur, fair fight? Retired Tiger Woods vs Joe Amateur, fair?

No, the outcome is so obviously and heavily weighted in ones favour that only someone who disregards the obvious would regard these as fair matches.

Now in triathlon the different between retired pro and 'elite' amateur may be less than my examples, but the principle still holds true - professional vs hobbiest is fundamentally not a fair fight.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Endurance sports such as triathlon, are much more "evenly matched" after years off in post-pro life compared to those where technique/skill is the highest limiter to performance.

Your example of Tiger Woods Vs amateur is skewed by the high skill cap required for golf, which won't deteriorate as fast as functional fitness. That being said, ex-pro endurance athletes are still much more likely than Joe Public to enjoy an active lifestyle and maintain high fitness. For example, see Chrissie Wellington (recently coming 2nd overall and 1st female in a 52 mile Ultra) or Paula Radcliffe (2:36:55 in her final marathon)

FWIW I welcome ex-pros racing in AG, I think few other sports would facilitate the return to a lower level purely for their love of the sport. Why shouldn't they be allowed the opportunity to race and qualify for certain events?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tin Pot wrote:
Now in triathlon the different between retired pro and 'elite' amateur may be less than my examples, but the principle still holds true - professional vs hobbiest is fundamentally not a fair fight.


There are many 'Amateur' AG triathletes who are effectively training full time. Complaining that you can't win your AG in an amateur sport because someone faster turned up is a bit petty. Next you'll be saying pros shouldn't be allowed to claim KOMs on Strava.

Ironman already say pros can't turn up and race at non-pro races. There may even be a grace period after their pro licence has lapsed. No difference a retired pro triathlete from a retired pro swimmer/biker/runner turning up at your local race.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tin Pot wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
Tin Pot wrote:
I wouldnt regard competing against a former professional in any amateur sport a fair fight.

Nothing justifies cheating though, obvs.

I see she has apologised and blamed her eating disorder.


The race is a fair fight....it's life that is unfair and like all tests, a race simply highlights aspects of this unfairness


So, in fact you are agreeing the race is unfair because life is unfair. Smile

Just because the rules are the same for both competitors doesn't make it fair; A retired Mike Tyson vs Joe Amateur, fair fight? Retired Tiger Woods vs Joe Amateur, fair?

No, the outcome is so obviously and heavily weighted in ones favour that only someone who disregards the obvious would regard these as fair matches.

Now in triathlon the different between retired pro and 'elite' amateur may be less than my examples, but the principle still holds true - professional vs hobbiest is fundamentally not a fair fight.


Nonsense...the test is there to identify inequalities, that's the whole point...

if you don't fancy your chances against tiger woods at golf then either do something about (ie...spend your life training as hard as he) it or take him on at something else where you are more competitive...

that said, now is prpobably as good a chance as any to take him on at golf Smile
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