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mattsurf




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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:04 pm    Post subject: Need a Trainer Reply with quote

I want to try to qualify for Kona, and to do that I realise that I need a trainer.

I completed my fist IM in a leisurely 11h48m, however, I think that there is easily enough in my performance to convince myself that I can do it with the correct level of training. My Plan is to do IM Zurich next year in around 10 hours, which may be enough to qualify

I am based in Switzerland, close to Zurich. Is it important to find a local trainer who I can meet with face to face on occasions, or does remote training work effectively?

Any advice how to find a good trainer would be really welcome
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This really depends where you are in your development...and the coach/coaches selected....each has benefits and drawbacks but the balance will depend on many factors...

on - line/generic plans can provide a structure & progression...

regular group/club sessions can provide a competitive environment...

group sessions with occasional individualised feedback can be a bonus...

remote coaching with more personalised plans can be more productive..

remote coaching with regular face to face analysis and feedback ticks most of the boxes...

constant one-to-one coaching can be very useful, but is costly and could, ultimately, be counter productive...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Need a Trainer Reply with quote

mattsurf wrote:
My Plan is to do IM Zurich next year in around 10 hours, which may be enough to qualify



Is 10hrs good enough to qualify at Zurich? Which AG?

It's a long time since I raced there, but 10hrs doesn't sound quick enough to qualify on a fast Euro course.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heres 2017 Kona qualifying times (taken from CoachCox)

AG Spots Last Q spot time
M18-24 1 9:57:10
M25-29 2 9:19:25
M30-34 4 9:36:24
M35-39 4 9:22:03
M40-44 5 9:40:14
M45-49 4 9:53:20
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and 2016 KQ times

Final Qualifier
M18-24 2 9:45:38
M25-29 4 9:31:07
M30-34 7 9:22:14
M35-39 9 9:26:06
M40-44 8 9:39:47
M45-49 9 9:49:21
M50-54 6 10:12:18
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

probably the wrong forum for a swiss trainer.

I can suggest a great one in SW London.

You are also in Switzerland (I'm aware it's a large country) where Brett Sutton is based. You could try his coaching system.

On a different note you are looking at sub 9.30 for KQ at Zurich and the gulf between 10+ and sub 9.30 is huge. I've been there ( did Vichy as my first and fastest IM - okay, every course since has been harder and Wales was my swansong but even so)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok 9:53 of lower to qualify I will be 46 next year. I now live less than 10 miles from course, so I can hopefully get really familiar with the bike and run. Even though my Vichy time of 11:48 may not look too hopeful, that was off the back of 7 hours training per week for 3 months and almost no running.

It is a massive stretch that do it, would love to think I could do it
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok 9:53 of lower to qualify I will be 46 next year. I now live less than 10 miles from course, so I can hopefully get really familiar with the bike and run. Even though my Vichy time of 11:48 may not look too hopeful, that was off the back of 7 hours training per week for 3 months and almost no running.

It is a massive stretch that do it, would love to think I could do it
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Matt

Well done for starting and finishing your IM.

I know you had an issue earlier in the year, broken collar bone?

With those hours and no running.. a sub 12 is fast.

The qualifying times for Kona seem crazy.... but if you dont try... you"ll never know how fast you could have gone.

" Luckily " ill be 50 in 15 months or so, things tend to slow down a bit AG wise then.

Like you i had a strange season but some success in the end and i hope for some good results next year, your obviously stoked and living near the course has to help.

I concidered a coach and even made a few enquiries, i"m still improving endurance wise so will hold off for a bit, however everybody who got one went faster it seems....?!.

Stick at it...

Mungo.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mungo,
My season was a bit of a wreck, broken collar was quickly followed by a knee injury which took 3 months to clear.

In hindsight I made a load of mistakes in training last year
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsurf wrote:



In hindsight I made a load of mistakes in training last year


Such as?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
mattsurf wrote:



In hindsight I made a load of mistakes in training last year


Such as?


When you get a minor injury, take time off to recover properly
Don't do too many competitions in one weekend
Don't set goals for your first IM, make sure you are fit and have fun - I really enjoyed it without the pressure

I am sure that there are loads more
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsurf wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
mattsurf wrote:



In hindsight I made a load of mistakes in training last year


Such as?


When you get a minor injury, take time off to recover properly
Don't do too many competitions in one weekend
Don't set goals for your first IM, make sure you are fit and have fun - I really enjoyed it without the pressure

I am sure that there are loads more


all good ones to learn...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A parkrun with a freshly broken clavical is........... character building.....in honesty its madness.

We all make mistakes and the coulda woulda shouda will drive you mad if you let it..

You had two serious injuries and completed a full distance race in one season.

I was over twice your volume and still found 70.3 a long way.

Have a break, do some wind surfing or whatever and then make a plan for 2018.
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