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Mungo




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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:51 am    Post subject: Argon tt Reply with quote

Hi
Currently ride a E116.
Looking at a E118, anybody got one?
Will it take 24mm tyres?
Is it worth the upgrade?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm about to sell an E112 frameset. It's gorgeous. Consider it a modern classic rather than a retrograde step Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I've got 25mm on it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tinpot
Have you got the bars up or down!?

Is it road bike high or bad back low?

Can you climb on it?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mungo wrote:
Tinpot
Have you got the bars up or down!?

Is it road bike high or bad back low?

Can you climb on it?


Down, bad back low

http://www.tritalk.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=99679&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

Havent had any problems climbing but not done anything steeper than Exmoor and Aix en Provence 70.3 courses
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: Argon tt Reply with quote

Mungo wrote:
Hi
Currently ride a E116.
Looking at a E118
Is it worth the upgrade?


I guess ultimately, you have to ask if (effectively) a set of integrated bars is worth the expenditure. It's a watered-down version of going from the first generation Trek SC7 to the SC9; as here only the bars differ, the front brake is still the same. What's your budget for an upgrade?

In the end I've decided to keep my SC7, and spend the money on a good endurance road bike instead, as that will give me way more year-round riding pleasure. Upgrading my TT bike would be spending four figures just to get an integrated front brake, which would save me literally a handful of seconds vs an Omega.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the ultimate aim being IMUK 2019 I'll be 50!
The old TT v road bike comes into its own.

It's a strange course, stop\ start. Up\ down.
I'm thinking a TT bike with high front end weighing as little as possible ...7kg....ish.

I'm going to look at E118.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A genuine 7kg TT bike would be an extremely rare thing; even 8kg is very light for a proper TT build. I would consider an aero road frame then, with a TT bar set-up & Zipp 404s. Sticking tri-bars on something like this Canyon Aeroad is the only way you'll get close: https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/aeroad/2018/aeroad-cf-slx-9-0-ltd.html Do you have 7300? Wink

Or this for a paultry 3079 with discs - one road bike for every job! https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/aeroad/aeroad-cf-slx-disc-8-0.html
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, don't know about 7kg. Pretty sure my race day bike weight is 10.5.

I have Athena carbon, P1s, Campag shifters, plastic brake levers(!), and admittedly heavyish bullet 80s. Plus tool bag/bottle.

Feels fast as ~#*$ in a straight line though. Accelerates like #@?# off a shovel.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With SRAM red 10 speed mechanical 2011, new SRAM Etap chainset, Easton attacks, Zipp 303 with light tubs, keywins, and a few other trick goodies the only issue is the frame!?

Still researching...... 7 kg may be unfeasible. But I'll get close..... Ish.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kept old faithful in the end.

Treated to Dura ace 9100 chainset, lighter brake levers, carbon tt saddle and trick stem.

My new ...old ......felt f1 should hit 6.5 kgs with Easton attack tt bars on the front!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
A genuine 7kg TT bike would be an extremely rare thing; even 8kg is very light for a proper TT build. I would consider an aero road frame then, with a TT bar set-up & Zipp 404s. Sticking tri-bars on something like this Canyon Aeroad is the only way you'll get close: https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/aeroad/2018/aeroad-cf-slx-9-0-ltd.html Do you have 7300? Wink

Or this for a paultry 3079 with discs - one road bike for every job! https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/aeroad/aeroad-cf-slx-disc-8-0.html


My Shiv (small) with pedals, a heavy Adamo Prologue saddle, Tufo 125 spare tyre strapped to saddle, Walker Brothers Disk and 88mm front (Vittoria Tubulars) weighs 8.2kg. Light saddle and light wheels and no spare, I think that it could be between 7.5 and 7.6kg
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

6.63 kg
With pedals, stick on aerobars and cages.
With Easton attack front end 6.9 kg.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mungo wrote:
6.63 kg
With pedals, stick on aerobars and cages.
With Easton attack front end 6.9 kg.


Which Argon and what wheels..?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry tin pot....
It's a felt f1 with sram red and a few trick bits.
CNC brakes
Etap chainset.
95g stem
Felt devox bars
Etc.
Proper tri Saddle and climbs amazing!

I have a focus izzalco so the felt is getting a dedicated Tt front end.

Looked long and hard for a trick wheel-set then realised my zipp 303"s are 2.1 kg with tubs, skewers, sealant and a 11-27 block.

Not weighed Argon, looks great with the new bits but it won't be 6.5kg!
Normally run it with 808 FCC wheel set.
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