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mortirolo




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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:29 am    Post subject: Mark Allen Coaching Reply with quote

Hi, has anyone used Mark Allen coaching before? I'm entering my 1st Ironman in Nice and am looking for a coaching program suitable for me.
Charges are 100pm for 1st 3 months to get you started. My mate used him about 6 years ago and said MA program helped him a lot, though he starts on a really low base of max HR 180-age.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

assuming that this is a generic programme simply based on HR, that is a lot of money...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is quite steep, and I wonder how much specific "coaching" you get.
Have a look around for some coaches more local to you who would offer a more personalised plan
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't the MA program a computer program that takes details and creates a plan based around his low heart rate beliefs. Sounds like a very expensive generic plan to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

132 bpm is walking uphill for me.
My max is circa 180 but I held 160 or very near for 4 hours plus in my last race.
I turned it off half way through the run....
surely an individual coach makes an individual plan.....?!

I get the base building phase but we're all different.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've all put me off MA, think someone local is better as suggested.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mungo wrote:
132 bpm is walking uphill for me.
My max is circa 180 but I held 160 or very near for 4 hours plus in my last race.
I turned it off half way through the run....
surely an individual coach makes an individual plan.....?!

I get the base building phase but we're all different.


When MA beat DS in 1989 his average HR was 160 for 2:40 I think his base building of HR is his philosophy, I mean MA use to run 5:30 a mile with a HR of 130-140...I'm not MA!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is this the guy that used to "meditate" for months on end, on his own, in the middle of nowhere to get to peak condition...................

clearly nothing wrong with that.

and recently voted The Greatest Endurance Athlete of All Time.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's crazy low for sub 6 running...
HR is a strange subject, a guy off here "Spraggz" obviously has some talent, his recent 4:15 at Deva backs this up.
His 2:23 bike split is decent for sure, his 141 Average HR has to be a typo? !
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mortirolo wrote:
Mungo wrote:
132 bpm is walking uphill for me.
My max is circa 180 but I held 160 or very near for 4 hours plus in my last race.
I turned it off half way through the run....
surely an individual coach makes an individual plan.....?!

I get the base building phase but we're all different.


When MA beat DS in 1989 his average HR was 160 for 2:40 I think his base building of HR is his philosophy, I mean MA use to run 5:30 a mile with a HR of 130-140...I'm not MA!


You also probably don't train 30-40hours a week. LHR work is good, but Im like Mungo, think my "MAF" is 137 and I get over that walking up hill ( I hit 202bpm last week in the woods on an uphill section and hit 188 in a Sufferfest video). I already walk 4miles a day so why would I want to walk anymore! think my talking pace is about 150. My view is if I can have a chat or nose breath that's about right.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mortirolo wrote:
Mungo wrote:
132 bpm is walking uphill for me.
My max is circa 180 but I held 160 or very near for 4 hours plus in my last race.
I turned it off half way through the run....
surely an individual coach makes an individual plan.....?!

I get the base building phase but we're all different.


When MA beat DS in 1989 his average HR was 160 for 2:40 I think his base building of HR is his philosophy, I mean MA use to run 5:30 a mile with a HR of 130-140...I'm not MA!


Allen forgets to remind people that he already had 20+ years of training under his belt, had a massive engine and already had an extreme top end...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apart from at the more expensive end of one to one coaching, most plans are based around some form of data interpretation and are thus (to a greater of lesser extend) personalised. The longer ahead the planned sessions are prepared however, the less specific the training becomes...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mungo wrote:
That's crazy low for sub 6 running...
HR is a strange subject, a guy off here "Spraggz" obviously has some talent, his recent 4:15 at Deva backs this up.
His 2:23 bike split is decent for sure, his 141 Average HR has to be a typo? !


I rarely go over 130 on the bike in an Ironman, HR for chester marathon on sunday was 145 av for a 2.42 run.

Rarely go above 160 in any sort of race
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ttowel
We're all very different. Hence this thread interested me.
130 on a bike would see people running past me!

Was that a pb on Sunday?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HR's are different, my rest is 42 and max 183 (in my late 40's) If I have an hard intensive mixed session of cycling for say 2-3 hours my average is 140bpm and running is 155-160hbpm for like a hard 10km. MA is 100 a month for the cheapest option that is suitable so it's a lot of dough pm. I'm going to look around. MA - is does make sense to calculate HR to obtain a program obviously other factors but I think a Power Meter is essential for cycling...........still thinking now a local Tri coach is better. At the end of the day you have to stick to your program otherwise your wasting time & money whatever program you choose. And some programs don't suit so Tri coaches probably just use the data, if you tired with other issues, graphs will be all over the place. It's very difficult for a coach to help from a distance rather than in your face!
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