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Its hardly new news. Power curves, data points have been around forever. Sufferfest though are now amending the power targets based on your individual curve rather than just your ftp. So if Im doing vo2 intervals they will use my 5min power figure, not 110-120% FTP. Its also now suggesting videos to improve certain aspects of your cycling. Im not sure SF are claiming to reinvent anything, they are just changing the app to be even more personalised.
Must read Coggan's comments. hes hilarious when he gets going
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| hammerer wrote: | Its hardly new news. Power curves, data points have been around forever. Sufferfest though are now amending the power targets based on your individual curve rather than just your ftp. So if Im doing vo2 intervals they will use my 5min power figure, not 110-120% FTP. Its also now suggesting videos to improve certain aspects of your cycling. Im not sure SF are claiming to reinvent anything, they are just changing the app to be even more personalised.
Must read Coggan's comments. hes hilarious when he gets going |
Tom A on disc brakes keeps me going back to ST
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Coggan has really gone to work on Slowtwitch 
| Coggan wrote: | | just realize that you are as culpable of supporting unscrupulous behavior as someone who pays to watch a Harvey Weinstein movie |
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| hammerer wrote: | Its hardly new news. Power curves, data points have been around forever. Sufferfest though are now amending the power targets based on your individual curve rather than just your ftp. So if Im doing vo2 intervals they will use my 5min power figure, not 110-120% FTP. Its also now suggesting videos to improve certain aspects of your cycling. Im not sure SF are claiming to reinvent anything, they are just changing the app to be even more personalised.
Must read Coggan's comments. hes hilarious when he gets going |
any coach of any consequence would have been planning that anyway...
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| explorerJC wrote: | | hammerer wrote: | Its hardly new news. Power curves, data points have been around forever. Sufferfest though are now amending the power targets based on your individual curve rather than just your ftp. So if Im doing vo2 intervals they will use my 5min power figure, not 110-120% FTP. Its also now suggesting videos to improve certain aspects of your cycling. Im not sure SF are claiming to reinvent anything, they are just changing the app to be even more personalised.
Must read Coggan's comments. hes hilarious when he gets going |
any coach of any consequence would have been planning that anyway... |
But not many coaches charge $10/month.
Seems to be a lot of noise created for what is basically a refinement to the current indoor training app market. Sufferfest are highlighting a difference between them and most other players, they don't claim to replace a coach. The goal must be that these apps and associated gadgets can do all the number crunching for a coach/athlete, leaving the coach free to concentrate on the other aspects.
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| Buzz_ wrote: | | explorerJC wrote: | | hammerer wrote: | Its hardly new news. Power curves, data points have been around forever. Sufferfest though are now amending the power targets based on your individual curve rather than just your ftp. So if Im doing vo2 intervals they will use my 5min power figure, not 110-120% FTP. Its also now suggesting videos to improve certain aspects of your cycling. Im not sure SF are claiming to reinvent anything, they are just changing the app to be even more personalised.
Must read Coggan's comments. hes hilarious when he gets going |
any coach of any consequence would have been planning that anyway... |
But not many coaches charge $10/month.
Seems to be a lot of noise created for what is basically a refinement to the current indoor training app market. Sufferfest are highlighting a difference between them and most other players, they don't claim to replace a coach. The goal must be that these apps and associated gadgets can do all the number crunching for a coach/athlete, leaving the coach free to concentrate on the other aspects. |
no, indeed, but as we continue through your post we see that perhaps a coach is required also...
that said, it is progress...
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| explorerJC wrote: | | hammerer wrote: | Its hardly new news. Power curves, data points have been around forever. Sufferfest though are now amending the power targets based on your individual curve rather than just your ftp. So if Im doing vo2 intervals they will use my 5min power figure, not 110-120% FTP. Its also now suggesting videos to improve certain aspects of your cycling. Im not sure SF are claiming to reinvent anything, they are just changing the app to be even more personalised.
Must read Coggan's comments. hes hilarious when he gets going |
any coach of any consequence would have been planning that anyway... |
A coach would definitely but these aren't a coach. I think part of coggans displeasure is just that and that he feels SF are claiming to reinvent the wheel but it's just what he wrote 15 years ago.
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| hammerer wrote: | | explorerJC wrote: | | hammerer wrote: | Its hardly new news. Power curves, data points have been around forever. Sufferfest though are now amending the power targets based on your individual curve rather than just your ftp. So if Im doing vo2 intervals they will use my 5min power figure, not 110-120% FTP. Its also now suggesting videos to improve certain aspects of your cycling. Im not sure SF are claiming to reinvent anything, they are just changing the app to be even more personalised.
Must read Coggan's comments. hes hilarious when he gets going |
any coach of any consequence would have been planning that anyway... |
A coach would definitely but these aren't a coach. I think part of coggans displeasure is just that and that he feels SF are claiming to reinvent the wheel but it's just what he wrote 15 years ago. |
I didn't read it like that. They said they created a new (used one developed by that bloke they keep referring to) testing protocol and developed their app to apply it to their videos/power targets, that is the new stuff.
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I made it about half way through and started looking for knitting needles 
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| FatPom wrote: | | I made it about half way through and started looking for knitting needles |
Twitch in all its glory. Is comparing someone to a serial sex offender the new Godwin's law
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| hammerer wrote: | | FatPom wrote: | | I made it about half way through and started looking for knitting needles |
Twitch in all its glory. Is comparing someone to a serial sex offender the new Godwin's law |
Hehe, all we need now is waterboy to ask if this will help with his crank length decision and we have a perfect storm
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: New Sufferfest feature gets Coggan annoyed |
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Thanks, made me chuckle.
People find thinking so hard it's like shooting fish in a barrel for him.
Sadly, I expect most people walk away from that thread thinking he's wrong.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: New Sufferfest feature gets Coggan annoyed |
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| Tin Pot wrote: |
Thanks, made me chuckle.
People find thinking so hard it's like shooting fish in a barrel for him.
Sadly, I expect most people walk away from that thread thinking he's wrong. |
No, I think most people will walk away not caring if he's right or wrong but with overwhelming impression that he's a whiny little douche with anger issues.
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