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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:37 pm    Post subject: Tory v Labour Reply with quote

Who will implode first???

Just as the Tories were on the verge, Labour are having their own melt down...

Who will win and be the least electable by next election???
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's double ripe for a new party now.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tin Pot wrote:
It's double ripe for a new party now.


Indeed...there are a couple of 'military' backed ones that i have been invited to join but i am slightly nervous of:

a. any party directly associated with the military (junta anybody?)

b. part of their manifesto is to absolve all service personnel (for the right reasons)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that Labour still have the advantage come election time for the following reasons:-

1. This is about the only issue with labour at the moment, the Tories have many fires to fight.

2. Labour have proven that they can effectively work through character assassination and dark arts, whereas for Torys image is arguably more important.

3. The energy of the people is pulsing behind labour (thinking thinks like Corbyn becoming a youth hero) More visibly than withnthe tories.

4. The Tories are the party of Government and hence the buck stops with them, rightly or wrongly.

5. The Tories energy is visibly sapping away through all of the fire fighting, on all the numerous issues, this isnít going to change that. The exhaustion will continue.


And thatís just of the top of my head.


As I feel a historic bond with the Conservatives, even if I donít like how Cameronís policies are being implemented, it does sadden me to say that it would take a miracle to turn its electoral fortunes around. Mind you miracles can happen, but I wouldnít bet on it.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the one benefit of the youth voting in labour is that they will have to foot the bill in the end...

thankfully, most of the rest of the population have a memory and will be unlikely to fall for it...

TP is right, it really is time for something different...a return of the Whigs perhaps???
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would be better than a new party would be a new political straightforwardness.

Ejc for Prime Minster.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

too much in my closet to ever meet the utopian ideals of today...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ejc

While Westminster would drive me absolutely nuts, and my view is more global in nature, if you really do want better politics, you could do worse than do what I do, encourage wider thinking by politicians.

You have said it yourself in the past re Brexit the promises etc on both sides.

Once politicians are more straightforward and more concerned with substance over form things will improve.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i try to help where I can add value....and that excludes areas that are beyond hope...

edited to add that i'd rather get to the end of my days knowing that I contributed in a small way than spent my life banging on doors (no political pun intended) hoping to join those that think they are the elite...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
i try to help where I can add value....and that excludes areas that are beyond hope...

edited to add that i'd rather get to the end of my days knowing that I contributed in a small way than spent my life banging on doors (no political pun intended) hoping to join those that think they are the elite...
ouch Ejc, side swiping again!

It may surprise you to know that I have no need to join any elite, remember my nde? In hospital.....I already know (well as best as any alive human can) that I have already done enough.

All I am doing now is having a bit of fun, while wondering how to dig myself out of a hole caused by changed government policy a bit more effectively.

If anything Ejc I am the elite of the elite, they just donít know it yet Wink (thatís humour btw).
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is it side swiping to offer a different opinion of the world? Jesus wept, that's lame...

The fact that these people believe they are some form of elite and because of the fact that society wrongly treats them as elites thus reinforcing their behaviour has pretty much guaranteed that they have got away with all the #@?# they have been pulling for years...see the all men are perverts thread...

In normal society, only the psychopaths and the sociopaths get to act like that and society quickly weeds them out...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
Indeed...there are a couple of 'military' backed ones that i have been invited to join but i am slightly nervous of:

a. any party directly associated with the military (junta anybody?)

b. part of their manifesto is to absolve all service personnel (for the right reasons)


Interesting.... are they small-scale / localised? Any info? Website etc.?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gus wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
Indeed...there are a couple of 'military' backed ones that i have been invited to join but i am slightly nervous of:

a. any party directly associated with the military (junta anybody?)

b. part of their manifesto is to absolve all service personnel (for the right reasons)


Interesting.... are they small-scale / localised? Any info? Website etc.?


will message you some details tomoz....nothing to get excited about Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
Gus wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
Indeed...there are a couple of 'military' backed ones that i have been invited to join but i am slightly nervous of:

a. any party directly associated with the military (junta anybody?)

b. part of their manifesto is to absolve all service personnel (for the right reasons)


Interesting.... are they small-scale / localised? Any info? Website etc.?


will message you some details tomoz....nothing to get excited about Wink


in fact, this is the latest...I haven't done any research yet, so i can't judge their policies/opinions...

http://reboot2020.com/
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
Gus wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
Indeed...there are a couple of 'military' backed ones that i have been invited to join but i am slightly nervous of:

a. any party directly associated with the military (junta anybody?)

b. part of their manifesto is to absolve all service personnel (for the right reasons)


Interesting.... are they small-scale / localised? Any info? Website etc.?


will message you some details tomoz....nothing to get excited about Wink


in fact, this is the latest...I haven't done any research yet, so i can't judge their policies/opinions...

http://reboot2020.com/


and i will need to dig out the other one...i only took a brief look on FB and turned the kind offer down...
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