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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if the public really want Corbyn, i suppose they can have him...but very few people with any knowledge of the 20C would want to make that call...


Trouble is, there is a large part of the electorate who never knew the 70's and the awful experiences of those Labour years... Corbyn sells an attractive story to the yoof.... unfortunately they will have to learn the lessons that our generation learned, you can't tell them as they don't believe you.

Very worrying really.

Better stock up on candles.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gus wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
if the public really want Corbyn, i suppose they can have him...but very few people with any knowledge of the 20C would want to make that call...


Trouble is, there is a large part of the electorate who never knew the 70's and the awful experiences of those Labour years... Corbyn sells an attractive story to the yoof.... unfortunately they will have to learn the lessons that our generation learned, you can't tell them as they don't believe you.

Very worrying really.

Better stock up on candles.


the 70s would be the least of our worries.......i am more worried about a repeat of 1917 to about 1990....
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wheezy wrote:
Slightly back on thread topic....


Another General Election within three months? Can't see May surviving much longer after today.


I think her clock has been counting down and it accelerated over the last 24 hours.

I don't think we'll have a GE (I don't think the Tories are THAT suicidal yet) - judging by the comments in most Tory press it would be a landslide Corbyn win (God help us) so I don't think even the Tory party are that stupid. I remain curious as to the deafening silence of Boris and Rees Mogg - I suspec they are keeping their powder very dry at the moment.

However, I've been waiting for the 'powers behind the throne' to make their move and a bit astonished they haven't so far. I suspect the main reason is that the last thing the Tories need at the moment is yet more instability... but I think now they are beginning to realise she's becoming a serious liability. The anger I read in the comments sections by the grass-roots Tories is the worst I've ever seen against the leadership (even worse than in the Major days, and that was bad). Hence I think the 1922 Committee will be meeting shortly.

I was never a fan of May, but when she took the helm I thought she had the potential to be another Thatcher; she was gifted a platform in a momentous moment in our history that, had she done the right thing, would have catapulted her into the pantheon of 'great' PM's.

However, her series of cock-ups, mistakes, backtracking, incompetence, bad calls, misjudgements and her downright appallingly pathetic performance (read utter capitulation) over the EU negotiation has made me absolutely despise her beyond belief and I hope to God she is kicked out very soon before she can do any more damage.


not too sure she could do much differently....it is political suicide to be even a smidgin conservative and the depth of talent to support her is pretty sh1te (as it is in most cases on both sides of the house)...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



As a student. I voted for him.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As a student. I voted for him.


As a student, he gave me my degree certificate as chancellor.

It was the only useful thing he ever did.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As a student. I voted for him.


There was a big student shift to the left in the 60s...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As a student. I voted for him.


As a student, he gave me my degree certificate as chancellor.

d.


As a civil servant, I had to sort out the mess he left behind...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
GrahamO wrote:
nannysooz wrote:
As a student. I voted for him.


As a student, he gave me my degree certificate as chancellor.

d.


As a civil servant, I had to sort out the mess he left behind...


As a civil servant, you were a major contributor to the mess Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GrahamO wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
GrahamO wrote:
nannysooz wrote:
As a student. I voted for him.


As a student, he gave me my degree certificate as chancellor.

d.


As a civil servant, I had to sort out the mess he left behind...


As a civil servant, you were a major contributor to the mess Very Happy


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We were on strike in my first week of work...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've started listening to the Nick Robinson podcasts (trying to climb out of my echo chamber Wink ) and just listened to the Dan Hannan interview. Obviously clever and a very good speaker and wants to deregulate everything. Chlorinated chicken anyone?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(trying to climb out of my echo chamber Wink )


we'll have none of that round here, thank you... Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(trying to climb out of my echo chamber Wink )


we'll have none of that round here, thank you... Laughing


Apologies JC. Will resume with my normal dogma. Very Happy
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Wheezy wrote:
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we'll have none of that round here, thank you... Laughing


Apologies JC. Will resume with my normal dogma. Very Happy


that's more like it...good lad... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
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As a student. I voted for him.


There was a big student shift to the left in the 60s...


This was 1974...when Wilson had a maj of only 3...but there was a big shift due to the "13 years of Tory misrule" in the 60"s and the Tories looked very old fashioned. It was the swinging sixties.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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explorerJC wrote:
nannysooz wrote:


As a student. I voted for him.


There was a big student shift to the left in the 60s...


This was 1974...when Wilson had a maj of only 3...but there was a big shift due to the "13 years of Tory misrule" in the 60"s and the Tories looked very old fashioned. It was the swinging sixties.


indeed, it was as much a time of "anti-establishment"/"civil rights"
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