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stenard




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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hammerer wrote:
I'm on Salbutamol. It doesn't make me faster or riding any easier. It has no effect when Im well, it opens the airways when I'm struggling to breath though. Its banned because of health implications over a certain dosage NOT for its performance enhancing benefits. The first thing i did was check on the globalDRO the dosage when i was first prescribed it. It's 1600 g (4x2puffs in 24hours), the maximum dose. That's all well but its measured in testing by the urine concentration which is 1000ug.ml-1.

This 1600 dosage is proven to raise the urine concentration above the 1000ug.ml-1 limit in hot temperatures.
https://www.wada-ama.org/.../resources/files/whyte_0.pdf

This goes into a bit more detail.
https://cyclingtips.com/2016/04/why-do-so-many-elite-cyclists-have-asthma/
It's in relation to the Yates positive. Whilst it does agree with hammerer that inhaled salbutomol has no performance enhancing effects, it does raise the question about injected usage...

Anyway, as hammerer also says, it's the urine concentration that he's had an adverse finding of, on one day. Whereas the "allowable dosage" is defined in terms of the amount ingested. I've read somewhere that he might now have to undergo urine sampling to see if his urine concentrations on legal dosages are not in the normal range.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chrace wrote:
I'll go the opposite way and say I think at worst it's an honest mistake - at least by himself.


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I also think that. ( I am not making any aspersions as to what else Froome may or may not have taken). You know you are going to be tested, you know what the limit is etc. It would be totally bonkers to purposefully go over the limit in that situation and Froome doesn't come across as totally thick.

Inner Ring has good analysis.

http://inrng.com/2017/12/chris-froomes-salbutamol-case/#more-32655
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, he's a goner for sure, coz we know that sky don't keep records...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Joerg Jaksche's tweet on this: #neverforgetinyourcalculationthebloodbagleftovers

Interestingly he lost time to Nibali the day before this test and gained a little on the day of the test.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://sportsscientists.com/2017/12/brief-thoughts-froomes-salbutamol-result/
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's British, so the rules are wrong!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tuckandgo wrote:
You know you are going to be tested, you know what the limit is etc. It would be totally bonkers to purposefully go over the limit in that situation and Froome doesn't come across as totally thick.


If this was the case, no-one would ever be caught, people make mistakes.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hands up, I love supporting Sky when their racing and have always been of the opinion that they do it right.

Until this year. Wiggo's TUE and now this. Makes you really wonder.

What I'm really wondering is.................from day 1 Sky have had a zero tolerance approach. Where does this leave Froome, error or not?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hands up, I love supporting Sky when their racing and have always been of the opinion that they do it right.

Until this year. Wiggo's TUE and now this. Makes you really wonder.

What I'm really wondering is.................from day 1 Sky have had a zero tolerance approach. Where does this leave Froome, error or not?


the same as the rest...on the naughty step for 10 minutes....
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roscoemck wrote:
Until this year. Wiggo's TUE and now this. Makes you really wonder.


Henao's weird blood
Froome smashing it up romanide on 'roids
Barry and the Tramadol abuse
Leindeers and his talents
Tiernen-Locke being hired despite completely obvious it was doped to his gills.

It's not as if the shady side is new...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Team Sky is on it's way out anyway. Disney have brought Fox (who own Sky) and Team Sky was very much a James Murdoch thing. although there are rumours that he could become Chie Ex of Disney. So them they will be team Micky Mouse
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
Roscoemck wrote:
Hands up, I love supporting Sky when their racing and have always been of the opinion that they do it right.

Until this year. Wiggo's TUE and now this. Makes you really wonder.

What I'm really wondering is.................from day 1 Sky have had a zero tolerance approach. Where does this leave Froome, error or not?


the same as the rest...on the naughty step for 10 minutes....


Even if he gets a ban? That would go against everything they stand/stood for.

Soooooooooo, would that mean a new policy, they'll start hiring anyone?

Saw the news re Disney. Very interesting. Sky are confirmed as sponsors until 2020. Froome's contract runs out then and no apparent successor in place.

Will 2020 be the end of the road? I believe the holding company for Team Sky is a wholly owned subsidiary of Sky, that would mean someone buying the company from Sky if the team was to continue.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roscoemck wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
Roscoemck wrote:
Hands up, I love supporting Sky when their racing and have always been of the opinion that they do it right.

Until this year. Wiggo's TUE and now this. Makes you really wonder.

What I'm really wondering is.................from day 1 Sky have had a zero tolerance approach. Where does this leave Froome, error or not?


the same as the rest...on the naughty step for 10 minutes....


Even if he gets a ban? That would go against everything they stand/stood for.

Soooooooooo, would that mean a new policy, they'll start hiring anyone?

Saw the news re Disney. Very interesting. Sky are confirmed as sponsors until 2020. Froome's contract runs out then and no apparent successor in place.

Will 2020 be the end of the road? I believe the holding company for Team Sky is a wholly owned subsidiary of Sky, that would mean someone buying the company from Sky if the team was to continue.

What do they stand for?

If they really had a zero tolerance policy they wouldn't have hired anyone from Rabobank. Even if they hadn't been caught, Rabo were notorious before Rasmussen went to Mexico, I mean Italy. On top of what JibberJim has already pointed out.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Column inches. that's what it's all about.

It's just Murdoch's master plan to sell more papers/news reports etc etc so that his nice big Disney buyout fills his Scorroge mcDuck castle vaults with gold.
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