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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What really beggars belief is that Moat's, having already been sanctioned once, not only continues to use it knowing he'll be on the radar....but it was still in his system 3 days before the race Rofl


it is just disappointing he wasn't tested straight after the last ban...it would have saved wasting everyone's time


I had a look out of interest, and I think all his results post 2012 have now been removed by Ironman.


Unfortunately not.... he's still there as winning Liuzhou China this year.....
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Jorgan wrote:
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What really beggars belief is that Moat's, having already been sanctioned once, not only continues to use it knowing he'll be on the radar....but it was still in his system 3 days before the race Rofl


it is just disappointing he wasn't tested straight after the last ban...it would have saved wasting everyone's time


I had a look out of interest, and I think all his results post 2012 have now been removed by Ironman.


Unfortunately not.... he's still there as winning Liuzhou China this year.....


was doping not compulsory there???
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there's a simple way of cutting down on drafting - make all events draft legal.....*cough*..... Wink


that would pretty much finish off racing in the UK
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IM could replace timing chips with IoT GPS devices, I am sure that analytics could process the data pretty simply to identify if people were drafting. The cost of location devices is coming down pretty quickly. This could also provide a richer picture of how individuals are performing in real time


Civilian GPS isn't accurate enough
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IM could replace timing chips with IoT GPS devices, I am sure that analytics could process the data pretty simply to identify if people were drafting. The cost of location devices is coming down pretty quickly. This could also provide a richer picture of how individuals are performing in real time


Civilian GPS isn't accurate enough


Having worked on civilian GPS products I would have agreed with you until very recently - there are no products using it yet, but the dual band (L1+L5) promises 30cm accuracy (rather than 5m at present). If it lives up to the claims, it might just be accurate enough - in good conditions. There are still a lot of other issues to solve, so it is no easy fix.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/semiconductors/design/superaccurate-gps-chips-coming-to-smartphones-in-2018
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doug wrote:
hammerer wrote:
mattsurf wrote:
IM could replace timing chips with IoT GPS devices, I am sure that analytics could process the data pretty simply to identify if people were drafting. The cost of location devices is coming down pretty quickly. This could also provide a richer picture of how individuals are performing in real time


Civilian GPS isn't accurate enough


Having worked on civilian GPS products I would have agreed with you until very recently - there are no products using it yet, but the dual band (L1+L5) promises 30cm accuracy (rather than 5m at present). If it lives up to the claims, it might just be accurate enough - in good conditions. There are still a lot of other issues to solve, so it is no easy fix.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/semiconductors/design/superaccurate-gps-chips-coming-to-smartphones-in-2018


interesting . Cool
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there's a simple way of cutting down on drafting - make all events draft legal.....*cough*..... Wink


that would pretty much finish off racing in the UK


would it?? I'm not so sure.
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fat buddha wrote:
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there's a simple way of cutting down on drafting - make all events draft legal.....*cough*..... Wink


that would pretty much finish off racing in the UK


would it?? I'm not so sure.


how many closed road races are there?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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how many closed road races are there?


You wouldn't actually need closed roads, triathlons are today not being run under cycle racing on the highway, but with permission, so permission is all that is needed, with BC accreddited marshalls, it would be no less safe than a road race, although obviously multiple packs would be more disruptive so quieter roads potentially needed.

However, I do in principle agree with you, it would be considerably harder to put on events.
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how many closed road races are there?


You wouldn't actually need closed roads, triathlons are today not being run under cycle racing on the highway, but with permission, so permission is all that is needed, with BC accreddited marshalls, it would be no less safe than a road race, although obviously multiple packs would be more disruptive so quieter roads potentially needed.

However, I do in principle agree with you, it would be considerably harder to put on events.


i am not convinced that the standard of cycling within tri would make for happy racing, nor the standard of driving would make it a viable option, it would be an accident waiting to happen for draft legal on open road events...

Not sure any local highways group would sanction it anyway...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doug wrote:
hammerer wrote:
mattsurf wrote:
IM could replace timing chips with IoT GPS devices, I am sure that analytics could process the data pretty simply to identify if people were drafting. The cost of location devices is coming down pretty quickly. This could also provide a richer picture of how individuals are performing in real time


Civilian GPS isn't accurate enough


Having worked on civilian GPS products I would have agreed with you until very recently - there are no products using it yet, but the dual band (L1+L5) promises 30cm accuracy (rather than 5m at present). If it lives up to the claims, it might just be accurate enough - in good conditions. There are still a lot of other issues to solve, so it is no easy fix.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/semiconductors/design/superaccurate-gps-chips-coming-to-smartphones-in-2018


Still the wrong product IMHO.

Gen2 RFID has a range of, coincidentally, 12m. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make everyone ride with a rear-mounted bottom of the range GoPro or similar and if you've got a complaint that you were being drafted show the footage, as everyone has a number on the front of their helmet it should be easy to identify them
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Make everyone ride with a rear-mounted bottom of the range GoPro or similar and if you've got a complaint that you were being drafted show the footage, as everyone has a number on the front of their helmet it should be easy to identify them


I'd prefer a rear mount flame thrower with a range of say 10m Very Happy
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I have to go and wee in a cup this morning; probably the last time before I leave the mob. Think I've been tested about 6 times in the last 3.5 years. I have an immediate pension & honourable discharge at stake in my case, not a piece of perspex.

Call that my OOC testing Smile
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I have to go and wee in a cup this morning; probably the last time before I leave the mob. Think I've been tested about 6 times in the last 3.5 years. I have an immediate pension & honourable discharge at stake in my case, not a piece of perspex.

Call that my OOC testing Smile



oooooh. Now you'll be able to train full time win a couple of IM's and go to Kona.

Isn't that what every AG'er thinks would happen if they didn't have to work

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