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Tony Stark




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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRO Saracen wrote:
Seems there is now a cluster of guys who can run close to/around 2:40 off a front pack bike so a run of around 2:48-2:50 doesn't cut it any more.


Not exactly a new phenomenon though is it? :

IM WC 1989
PL. NAME TOTAL SWIM BIKE RUN
1 ALLEN, Mark 08:09:15 0:51:17 4:37:52 2:40:04
2 SCOTT, Dave 08:10:13 0:51:16 4:37:53 2:41:03

IM WC 1991
1 ALLEN, Mark 08:18:32 0:50:14 4:46:07 2:42:09

IM WC 1992
1 ALLEN, Mark 08:09:08 0:51:27 4:35:23 2:42:18

IM WC 1995
1 ALLEN, Mark 08:20:34 0:51:50 4:46:35 2:42:09
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it is in the sense that there now exists a reasonable group of guys that can run those times, not just Allen and Scott. The two incredibly dominant athletes of the era.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, although it should be noted 'potentially' run those times - Lange has done it twice now, and there's a cluster of other guys who look like they could but actually executing in Kona is another story of course.

Allen/Scott were really outliers in their eras which coincided on that epic day in 1989.

In 2013 FVL won with a 2:51, Kienle in 2014 with 2:54, Frodo's wins were 2:52 and 2:45.

Winning with a 2:45 is going to be very hard going forwards, as you are going to have to open up a 5mins lead on Lange and other potential 2:40 runners: it's pretty certain someone will run 2:40 out of the main bike pack and race strategies are going to have to take that into account.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How legit are some of these run courses? We know what Ironman can be like. I could probably run 2:4* in Texas depending on the year Very Happy
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