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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:40 am    Post subject: Froome Cleared! Reply with quote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/44679483

convenient timing. ASO are screwed now!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be interesting to see what the basis for the evidence was. Presumably Froome's legal/medical team were able to produce evidence that the levels of salbutamol measured were possible within the allowed doses.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think pragmatism has prevailed in this case.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whisk wrote:
It would be interesting to see what the basis for the evidence was. Presumably Froome's legal/medical team were able to produce evidence that the levels of salbutamol measured were possible within the allowed doses.


I wonder if they provided the evidence in a jiffy bag....
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Team Sky said Froome was only 19% over the limit - not double as had been reported - when the adverse test was adjusted to take account of dehydration.

They also claim 20 other tests conducted on Froome during his Vuelta a Espana win did not need any "further explanation".

Team Principal Sir Dave Brailsford said he always had total confidence in Froome's integrity and that he was looking forward to helping him challenge for a fifth Tour de France.

"The same individual can exhibit significant variations in test results taken over multiple days while using exactly the same amount of Salbutamol," Brailsford said.

"This means that the level of Salbutamol in a single urine sample, alone, is not a reliable indicator of the amount inhaled.


Sounds like they muddied the water around the test results sufficiently to cast doubt on the validity and reliability of the test Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Team Sky said Froome was only 19% over the limit - not double as had been reported - when the adverse test was adjusted to take account of dehydration.

They also claim 20 other tests conducted on Froome during his Vuelta a Espana win did not need any "further explanation".

Team Principal Sir Dave Brailsford said he always had total confidence in Froome's integrity and that he was looking forward to helping him challenge for a fifth Tour de France.

"The same individual can exhibit significant variations in test results taken over multiple days while using exactly the same amount of Salbutamol," Brailsford said.

"This means that the level of Salbutamol in a single urine sample, alone, is not a reliable indicator of the amount inhaled.


Sounds like they muddied the water around the test results sufficiently to cast doubt on the validity and reliability of the test Rolling Eyes


which is slightly worrying...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My take is ASO said we'll force your hand, UCI said OK you asked for it and came out with some PR #@?# a lawyer thought up yesterday afternoon. I also recon Sky have been trying all sorts for 9 months to prove his levels were abnormal test results not over use, playign for time and just hoping it will all go away. To be fair of all the things Sky and Froome may or may not be guilty of Salbutamol seems the most improbable thing to cheat with, especially knowing he was leading a grand tour and gonna get tested daily.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My take is ASO said we'll force your hand

UCI apparently heard from WADA that they were clearing Froome on the 28th - before the ASO announcement.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the whole process needs sorting....

sadly, the WADA budget is minimal compared to the big teams who can tie them up in legal knots for years...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeNobody wrote:
hammerer wrote:
My take is ASO said we'll force your hand

UCI apparently heard from WADA that they were clearing Froome on the 28th - before the ASO announcement.


Yes so they say. Doesnt mean it is true
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"on 28 June 2018, Wada informed the UCI it would accept, based on the specific facts of the case, that Mr Froome's sample results do not constitute an AAF (adverse analytical finding)" and "in light of Wada's unparalleled access to information and authorship of of the salbutamol regime, the UCI has decided to close proceedings against Mr Froome".

Oh ye of little faith!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hammerer wrote:
JoeNobody wrote:
hammerer wrote:
My take is ASO said we'll force your hand

UCI apparently heard from WADA that they were clearing Froome on the 28th - before the ASO announcement.


Yes so they say. Doesnt mean it is true


They're French - have you ever waited for a reply to an email from the French. An entire generation will pass you by in that time. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"on 28 June 2018, Wada informed the UCI it would accept, based on the specific facts of the case, that Mr Froome's sample results do not constitute an AAF (adverse analytical finding)" and "in light of Wada's unparalleled access to information and authorship of of the salbutamol regime, the UCI has decided to close proceedings against Mr Froome".

Oh ye of little faith!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2018-07/wada-will-not-appeal-uci-decision-in-christopher-froome-case

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WADA’s decision follows a full and careful review of all explanations and supporting evidence submitted by Mr. Froome in the month of June (which the UCI shared with WADA), as well as thorough consultation with internal and independent external experts. On the basis of this, WADA’s position is as follows:

Based on a number of factors that are specific to the case of Mr. Froome -- including, in particular, a significant increase in dose, over a short period prior to the doping control, in connection with a documented illness; as well as, demonstrated within-subject variability in the excretion of Salbutamol -- WADA concluded that the sample result was not inconsistent with the ingestion of inhaled Salbutamol within the permitted maximum dose.
WADA recognizes that, in rare cases, athletes may exceed the decision limit concentration (of 1200 ng of Salbutamol per ml of urine) without exceeding the maximum inhaled dose. This is precisely why the Prohibited List allows for athletes that exceed the decision limit to demonstrate, typically through a controlled pharmacokinetic study (CPKS) as permitted by the Prohibited List, that the relevant concentration is compatible with a permissible, inhaled dose.
In Mr. Froome’s case, WADA accepts that a CPKS would not have been practicable as it would not have been possible to adequately recreate the unique circumstances that preceded the 7 September doping control (e.g. illness, use of medication, chronic use of Salbutamol at varying doses over the course of weeks of high intensity competition).
Therefore, having carefully reviewed Mr. Froome’s explanations and taking into account the unique circumstances of his case, WADA accepts that:
the sample result is not inconsistent with an ingestion of Salbutamol within the permitted maximum inhaled dose;
an adequate CPKS is not practicable; and
the sample may be considered not to be an AAF.
WADA believes this to be the right and fair outcome for what was a very complex case.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a lot of the doubters are waiting to see the evidence that resulted in the decision. Good luck to them wading through the 1500 page report that Froome's team submitted Wink
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