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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vauxhall VX220?
Drives like a kart. Prices going up fast.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony Stark wrote:
Vauxhall VX220?
Drives like a kart. Prices going up fast.


Another good shout; alas I couldn't shoe-horn the kids into that! I want something that they can come along in too whilst they're little; so 2+2 as a minimum.

I had a '98 GTV Twin Spark back in the day, followed by the Accord Type-R (Milano Red obv), which was followed by a 986S. I still have the car that followed the 986... a Legacy 3.0R Spec B manual, which I'll drive into the ground; a real Q car, that has lots of WRX STI bits under the skin (factory fitted as standard). In 110k miles it's cost me a set of drop links, 1x pads front & rear and tyres - that's it! (oh and top rate VED Rolling Eyes )
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
Porsche...works every day, and simply more reliable and more robust than most...


Yes, this is generally a pretty safe bet. If I was only looking for a 2-seater, I think the 987S Cayman would be high on the list, or maybe Boxster. Numbers are still very high on these at the moment though, especially the Boxster, which are in abundance. 996 is now at the bottom of the price curve, but I'm reticent in buying something that's likely to cost a fortune when it needs fixing, which more modern 911s tend to.

Some people say VW Corrado, but tbh I don't see that. BMW E46 M3s are still also pretty common, and they don't command anything like the premium the (E46) CSL does, or the CS. A much longer term one that I feel, again due to numbers.

Interestingly, there's a website called "how many are left" which gives DVLA figures for models, indicating numbers that are still licenced or SORN. It's indicative when Licenced & SORN numbers get close, or SORN numbers exceed those licenced (VED paid); people starting to hide them away. These numbers are very similar for both GTV V6 and Cup editions, and the afore mentioned Impreza P1 - there are now many more cars hidden away SORN in garages, than out on the road.


Shame you can’t do 2 seaters - I went with Boxster and though I have not checked recently it has held it’s value well. If I can keep in good condition maybe it will appreciate in future.

I would go 911 in your place.

Are you trying to hold value, or is the goal to sell for a profit? If the latter I think you need to be looking at preordering supercars and selling them when they’re scarce(!)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tin Pot wrote:

Are you trying to hold value, or is the goal to sell for a profit? If the latter I think you need to be looking at preordering supercars and selling them when they’re scarce(!)


With cars, breaking-even is a bonus, if you enjoy the ownership period. The Focus RS was a good example of pre-ordering; supply was initially limited, and people were trying to 'price gouge' based on that Rolling Eyes Apparently a great car, but a bit chavvy and lacking in rarity; there are pushing 10,000 on the road! Plus Fords are sh!t inside. My first car was a Ford... an Escort 1600 Ghia. It was pretty crap mechanically. After a year I chopped it in for an early Vectra SRi, which was a lot more solid.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone near me has one of the original Sierra Cosworth's (with the big wing) in white Cool . It takes me back to my days as a sponsored student at Ford in the early 90s, when the managers car park at Dunton was full of them Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
Tin Pot wrote:

Are you trying to hold value, or is the goal to sell for a profit? If the latter I think you need to be looking at preordering supercars and selling them when they’re scarce(!)


With cars, breaking-even is a bonus, if you enjoy the ownership period. The Focus RS was a good example of pre-ordering; supply was initially limited, and people were trying to 'price gouge' based on that Rolling Eyes Apparently a great car, but a bit chavvy and lacking in rarity; there are pushing 10,000 on the road! Plus Fords are sh!t inside. My first car was a Ford... an Escort 1600 Ghia. It was pretty crap mechanically. After a year I chopped it in for an early Vectra SRi, which was a lot more solid.


Sure - your comment on interest rates was why I asked. Best off with FTSE index trackers for investment imo.

Have you considered Tesla? Risky as an investment perhaps, but as a future classic I can imagine people “harking back to the good old days” of the first electric roadsters.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tin Pot wrote:
Jorgan wrote:
Tin Pot wrote:

Are you trying to hold value, or is the goal to sell for a profit? If the latter I think you need to be looking at preordering supercars and selling them when they’re scarce(!)


With cars, breaking-even is a bonus, if you enjoy the ownership period. The Focus RS was a good example of pre-ordering; supply was initially limited, and people were trying to 'price gouge' based on that Rolling Eyes Apparently a great car, but a bit chavvy and lacking in rarity; there are pushing 10,000 on the road! Plus Fords are sh!t inside. My first car was a Ford... an Escort 1600 Ghia. It was pretty crap mechanically. After a year I chopped it in for an early Vectra SRi, which was a lot more solid.


Sure - your comment on interest rates was why I asked. Best off with FTSE index trackers for investment imo.

Have you considered Tesla? Risky as an investment perhaps, but as a future classic I can imagine people “harking back to the good old days” of the first electric roadsters.


Couldn't agree less

It's Throwaway Tech

No one Harks back to the days of the IPhone 1

Its an evolving tech and industry and as time moves better and better tech will supersede the old and make it look clunky and useless. Like phones, laptops, TV's etc...

While the same applies top most cars I think elsectric cars will be particularly bad as the tech is moving so quickly.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ yes, the range on a current Tesla is pretty poor, and I'd imagine in a few years ranges will be way better. They have to be, if they want more people the adopt them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SGreg wrote:
Tin Pot wrote:
Jorgan wrote:
Tin Pot wrote:

Are you trying to hold value, or is the goal to sell for a profit? If the latter I think you need to be looking at preordering supercars and selling them when they’re scarce(!)


With cars, breaking-even is a bonus, if you enjoy the ownership period. The Focus RS was a good example of pre-ordering; supply was initially limited, and people were trying to 'price gouge' based on that Rolling Eyes Apparently a great car, but a bit chavvy and lacking in rarity; there are pushing 10,000 on the road! Plus Fords are sh!t inside. My first car was a Ford... an Escort 1600 Ghia. It was pretty crap mechanically. After a year I chopped it in for an early Vectra SRi, which was a lot more solid.


Sure - your comment on interest rates was why I asked. Best off with FTSE index trackers for investment imo.

Have you considered Tesla? Risky as an investment perhaps, but as a future classic I can imagine people “harking back to the good old days” of the first electric roadsters.


Couldn't agree less

It's Throwaway Tech

No one Harks back to the days of the IPhone 1

Its an evolving tech and industry and as time moves better and better tech will supersede the old and make it look clunky and useless. Like phones, laptops, TV's etc...

While the same applies top most cars I think elsectric cars will be particularly bad as the tech is moving so quickly.


I think I would focus at the other end of the spectrum, cars in 2000 to 2005/6 are the last generation of mechanical excellence, before electronics and computing took over management of everything in the search for increased efficiency, improved ride and handling etc. I am sure that a lot of classics will emerge from this era

To add to my list, how about a Mazda RX8, earlier RX7's are appreciating fast, the RX8 is the best and most good looking of the lot
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to work with a guy with an RX8. No thanks Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RX8's are awful

RX7's are great cars but any appreciation would be more than wiped out from keeping the thing on the road and paying for petrol! And as I said before a lot of cars in this bracket the boat has been missed they are not future classics they are classics and are priced accordingly.

My current car is a GT86 which I utterly love, but as they are still making them so the price is only going one way for now.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SGreg wrote:
RX8's are awful

RX7's are great cars but any appreciation would be more than wiped out from keeping the thing on the road and paying for petrol! And as I said before a lot of cars in this bracket the boat has been missed they are not future classics they are classics and are priced accordingly.

My current car is a GT86 which I utterly love, but as they are still making them so the price is only going one way for now.


I agree the GT86 has all the hallmarks of a future classic
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lotus elise is the only way to go Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsurf wrote:

A really good, low mileage mk1 Audi TT 3.2, preferably without the recall fitted rear wing - perfectly safe unless you do 150mph on the autobahn



I loved the Mk1 TT the minute they came out and always wanted one, when I paid my mortgage a few years ago they were into the Mk2's so I bought one.

TT3.2 V6 in Denim blue, although there is a small dint in the rear wing where some (dishonest) git probably in a transit van probably reversed and clipped me, then drove off, apparently it's double skinned there so a bit of a bugger to fix but the paint wasn't cracked.

It's got 102k on the clock, for a 14 yr old car thats probably getting towards low mileage these days.

Also, it's a manual which are fairly rare, I didn't fancy the DSG.

Friend at work who's into cars suggested they are holding\increasing in value a bit these days. I paid £7k, but it's probably only worth half that ATM, but I'm keeping it for now and you never know!

Finally, there are no hair-care products left in it overnight before anyone asks Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeffB wrote:
TT 3.2 V6 in Denim blue, manual


There's one of those on our Lane...common as muck Very Happy Wink
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