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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:19 am    Post subject: Time Trial Bikes - Modern and Ranges... Reply with quote

Hi TTers with wealth of modern knowledge.

What are the decent bikes for 2k-3k these days?
I am not averse to buying second hand.

Obviously, one that fits would be best, but what about comfort over IM distance?

Is the Cervelo P3 2018 or P5 2015 still "The One"?

I previously owned a PX Stealth and there was nothing wrong with it at all, I'm just thinking time has moved on and they're probably not the done thing anymore?

(I recently re-purchased exactly the same road bike I used to ride and set it up according to my previous bike fit, knowing that it's "old" and "not-so-aero", but I know I get on with it and it's fun to ride)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as you're not bothered about waiting for the forthcoming slew of affordable TT bikes with disc brakes.... the new age P2/3 are purportedly very good frames, with the P3 having much friendlier geometry than it's 'long & low' predecessor (P3C). Aero wise, they are identical iirc, it's just structural/layup that differentiates. If you want a really clean set-up on these, you can put some Tri-Rig Omega brakes on them (although you'd have to import them - currently on sale $166 each). Other choices: the Felt IA1x series (non integrated front end) are very good bikes; again you can stick an Omega brake on it. The Shiv also a solid performer, but would be last on my list of those above. You won't get a P5 for <3k yet, cheapest on fleabay is 3.5k. Not worth the extra imho.

The Trek SC7 (Gen 2) would be my personal choice (s/h). You'd need either L or XL. There's an XL on ebay for 3250 at the moment, but that has a Corima Disc & Trispoke, that you could sell-on if required. If you look at the Quintana Roo website, even they have the SC as the clear winner at common-found yaw angles.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan is right about the IA, spectacular bike for the money. iI think the shiv is only available as a frameset module going forward but willing to be proven wrong on that. Cervelo...hmm, nice bikes but staggeringly bad customer service.

I would look at something like an Argon E117, the frame is wonderful, they handle brilliantly and they're quick.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id send a lot of people to Dolan. More bike than most people can justify especially for the money. probably quite local (ish) to you these days so can get a fitting thrown in. 2.6k and get ultegra Di2 as well, and < 2k for mechanical gears.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
As long as you're not bothered about waiting for the forthcoming slew of affordable TT bikes with disc brakes.... the new age P2/3 are purportedly very good frames, with the P3 having much friendlier geometry than it's 'long & low' predecessor (P3C). Aero wise, they are identical iirc, it's just structural/layup that differentiates. If you want a really clean set-up on these, you can put some .


Not quite true. P3 has a different fork.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FatPom wrote:
Not quite true. P3 has a different fork.


Can you get a better tune from the P3?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have p3 and am very happy with it. If you are going to drop 3k on a bike you should really get a pre purchase fit and find the best bike for you. The PX stealth you had has a low stack height on all sizes and is quite long. I'm very tall and needed a high stack height. The p3 was one of only a few bikes that fitted me.

The speed concept is a nice bike but I've heard it's a bugger to take the front end apart if you want to travel with it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
FatPom wrote:
Not quite true. P3 has a different fork.


Can you get a better tune from the P3?


I'm sure in some bizarre parallel universe that means something Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 2008 P2C, pretty much the same bike that Chrissie Wellington won her early world champs on, and it wants for nothing really. Bought s/h from a friend 5 years ago. With its various wheels, Magura RT6TT brakes and a good bike fit I guess it stands me at about 3k. Comfier for me on a 6-hr IM ride than any of my road bikes that came before or after it. Best bike I've ever had.

Edit, I'm 5'7" with 31" inside leg and it fits me perfectly with the bars as low as they'll go. Haven't tried a P3 for comparison. Be aware that the geometry changed with certain years for P2/P3.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FatPom wrote:
Jorgan wrote:
FatPom wrote:
Not quite true. P3 has a different fork.


Can you get a better tune from the P3?


I'm sure in some bizarre parallel universe that means something Confused


No, this universe: https://science.howstuffworks.com/tuning-fork.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iwaters wrote:

The speed concept is a nice bike but I've heard it's a bugger to take the front end apart if you want to travel with it.


That's the first generation bikes; they are a PITA.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
FatPom wrote:
Jorgan wrote:
FatPom wrote:
Not quite true. P3 has a different fork.


Can you get a better tune from the P3?


I'm sure in some bizarre parallel universe that means something Confused


No, this universe: https://science.howstuffworks.com/tuning-fork.htm


haha with you now. Been a long day and not over yet Exclamation
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers folks Very Happy
Loads for me to look into over the coming dark months Exclamation

I'll deffo get a fit before purchase, too.

    new age Cervelo P2/3
    Felt IA1x
    Specialized Shiv
    Trek Speed Concept 7 (Gen2)
    Argon E117
    Dolan (?)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

New Ribble ultra.
2k ish 105 11 speed mech
3k ish ultegra di2.

Bingham is shifting on his, as is Joe Skipper...but they would beat us all on raleigh choppers with 10 psi in each tyre.

Apparently it was a NeilPryde open mould and has been adapted for tri, with the storage and water bits, or TT ing with an extra aero front nose.

looks the dogs....
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Picked up an Exocet II whilst I see how things go, with the oddest mix of SRAM, Dura Ace, Ultegra and 105 as I ever did see.

Still, it was less than the monthly wine bill 👍🏼
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