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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Come the revolution I will be fighting to be on the front row to burn that damn place down and all its execrable inhabitants. It stands testament to the irreversible decline of the very foundations of our nation and its constitution.

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instead of burning it down Mr Fawkes, why not help rebuilt it? I am sure that there must be plenty of hereditary peers who would love to get stuck back in there and do the hard work. Given they are already peers it’s not as if they want the title, they may actually want to return to doing the job.


Seriously though Gus, I have spent two decades popping up here and there acting a bit like the governments « nudge unit » provoking thought, getting people to see what is staring at them, and so on.

I mean even my Tory MP once visited me, agreed with me on one specific point on an impossible situation Cameron created and placed me in, which he did not think that he could do anything about, but now some years later, has now been partially dealt with through policy, for some at least. Being a pain in the ass can get Results.

The U.K. is a bit wonky just now, but it can be fixed. It just needs people who care and who can see past the agendas, motivations and desires for money and power.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

« French president says defence cooperation should include all European countries, including Russia »

Today’s Independent online. Seriously don’t underestimate just how influential Russia could become over the next decade.

At least I don’t seem to be the only one who sees EU and Russia cooperation to be a possible solution to changing political events. Be better if the EU could rise to the challenge, but if Macron is doing this, then I guess it can’t.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:
Seriously don’t underestimate just how influential Russia could become over the next decade.


Russia has nukes which it will never use and a p*ss poor economy which is utterly dependent upon oil. Its is 11th or 12th in the GDP table depending upon how it is measured.

California, Texas and New York city are bigger.

Russia is irrelevant in the scheme of things.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Russia is irrelevant in the scheme of things.
And I thought that I was brave in some of my statements.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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that's partly what did for Clinton 2


You think?



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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that's partly what did for Clinton 2


You think?



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that real hubris, or fake hubris? ^^^^

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I realise that this may sound odd from me (why change Laughing ) but I really don’t understand why some people « want with so much conviction » positions of such power.

I sort of get why you might if things were screwed up and you genuinely thought that you could make things better, but all this « I am destined to be President or Prime Minister » etc, I just don’t get.

Surely such jobs are full of manipulations, threats, bribes, false friends, etc and that’s before you even begin to consider the responsibilities of such positions. You literally can enable or kill people through your policies. And the law of unintended consequences being what it is. And furthermore the fact that power corrupts and blinds (through ego) is not an insignificant issue.

Just baffles me.



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:
I realise that this may sound odd from me (why change Laughing ) but I really don’t understand why some people « want with so much conviction » positions of such power.

I sort of get why you might if things were screwed up and you genuinely thought that you could make things better, but all this « I am destined to be President or Prime Minister » etc, I just don’t get.

I agree. From the very first series of 24, there was no way I'd want to run a Presidential primary campaign, let alone actually take on the top job. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GrahamO wrote:

Russia is irrelevant in the scheme of things.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45330161

"It fits into a pattern we have seen over some time: a more assertive Russia, significantly increasing its defence budget and its military presence."


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And let’s not forget how Russia has gained the upper hand over America in Syria. And it’s alleged influence on western elections, it’s alleged funding of upcoming politicians (that’s half a trillion pounds please Razz ) it’s well ingrained spy network (currently reading « The KGBs poison factory » by Boris Volodarsky, which even notes P62, « our people sat in the House of Lords, in parliament, major newspapers, the bbc, the biggest banks and even the London stock exchange. »).

Mind you I am biased, I have a very observant Russian entered my life. Shocked


Added...idle thought...do you think that all those Establishment figures who are owned by Russia (if true obviously) got owned through money, women or blackmail. If one is Foul Old Ron, it simply has to be a sex scandal with a beautiful swallow. Must be a nightmare for our spooks. Keeping track that is.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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GrahamO wrote:

Russia is irrelevant in the scheme of things.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45330161

"It fits into a pattern we have seen over some time: a more assertive Russia, significantly increasing its defence budget and its military presence."


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!

Lmao


Don’t play up to these things....
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
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GrahamO wrote:

Russia is irrelevant in the scheme of things.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45330161

"It fits into a pattern we have seen over some time: a more assertive Russia, significantly increasing its defence budget and its military presence."


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!

Lmao


Don’t play up to these things....


I can't help it Graham gets me every time. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go talk to a global economist (and I mean a real one, not an academic) rather than listening to third hand waffle on the BBC.

Its the posturing of an ageing bully, which is slowly realising that the bluster doesn't work any more. If they decided to do something stupid, like invade a NATO country, their economy would collapse overnight.

Russia is being slowly strangled by an ever increasing dependence upon oil, and when Putin goes, the place will descend into anarchy with little regard to the West.

Go on, go to a lecture on Russia and you'll get a very different story than the worry bead stories you get from the BBC.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this one of those alterative fact, post-truth things?

Russia's invasion and annexation of Crimea was pretty real.
Russia's involvement in Syria also very real.
Russia's continual "testing" of our air space is real.
Russia's extrajudicial killing of people on UK soil is real.

etc, etc, etc.


Perhaps you are right that they are an aging bear that will die in the near future, but for now they still have teeth and claws and have shown a willingness to use them.

Irrelevant, it think not. At least not right now.
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