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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRO Saracen wrote:
Lionel constantly needs sessions to reassure himself/address any fears or worries he has during training, regardless of whether that session will help him be faster on race day.

It means he is really trying to keep himself race fit all year; as it appears any session (or race) which does not prove to himself that he is race fit leads to him ripping everything to pieces in desperation.

He'll probably go well under a coach for a time, but question is what will happen when there is a setback. Can he overcome himself and his instincts and trust in the longer term plan.

We get to watch the whole thing unfold in instalments on youtube - as noted oddly addictive, reality TV for IM nerds. Smile


that would be some challenge for any coach...

He would certainly have to have a change of mindset for any relationship to work effectively...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:

that would be some challenge for any coach...

He would certainly have to have a change of mindset for any relationship to work effectively...


Very true, on the other hand if a coach could truly get him to let go then you have a lot of upside: he has a huge engine, a great capacity to hurt himself and some technical gains to be had.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is vaguely worth a watch

https://youtu.be/Ch-9c7AM318?fbclid=IwAR0qPMriJq4xCUIYbTRMQ2XcYWwTkzUC096ASR4FNGOnLjajsvlt3QKyn9o
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRO Saracen wrote:
he has a huge engine, a great capacity to hurt himself and some pretty basic technical gains to be had.


FTFY Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRO Saracen wrote:
explorerJC wrote:

that would be some challenge for any coach...

He would certainly have to have a change of mindset for any relationship to work effectively...


Very true, on the other hand if a coach could truly get him to let go then you have a lot of upside: he has a huge engine, a great capacity to hurt himself and some technical gains to be had.


the question is though, how much initial loss of performance may now be required to make the technical gains...and can it be achieved within a reasonable time frame...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just posted on ST - the Colonel's bike splits by section:

Laps
1- 0:30:02 IF 0.91 NP 347 26.4mph VI 1.01
2- 0:30:01 IF 0.87 NP 332 26.8mph VI 1.00
3- 0:30:28 IF 0.87 NP 332 26.5mph VI 1.01
4- 0:29:48 IF 0.82 NP 311 25.9mph VI 1.01
5- 0:18:00 IF 0.87 NP 330 23.5mph (Climb to Hawi) VI 1.01
6- 0:57:42 IF 0.74 NP 281 27.5mph VI 1.01
7- 1:11:53 IF 0.68 NP 258 25.5mph VI 1.04

Overall IF 0.81 NP 308 26.2mph 4h15

So first 90 mins of the bike at near 90% FTP, with another 18 mins at 87% up to Hawi just to finish himself off.

Looks to me like rattled after his swim time he went through all his matched by halfway....

'If I only had a brain....'
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...his efforts were for the edification of the triathlon masses Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
...his efforts were for the edification of the triathlon masses Laughing

TBF he always has plenty of emotional content, it's not an exhibition for him.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumours on ST that Lionel is doing Arizona, and smashing out huge bikes in preparation.

Madness, does he still not get it.

Also brings in another showdown with our British LIonel, aka Skipper, toeing the line for 5th full distance of the year.

Well, for both them the Ironman strapline is on the money: Anything is possible....
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRO Saracen wrote:
Rumours on ST that Lionel is doing Arizona, and smashing out huge bikes in preparation.


I called it first Wink

LIONel is "a kite dancing in a hurricane" to quote Mr White.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be a very interesting race because with the new KQ rules, anything but a win is a waste of time.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It will be a very interesting race because with the new KQ rules, anything but a win is a waste of time.


Yeah, I know this was the old system i.e. Pro KQ slots, but I think what could happen is you'll get a handful of very fresh race winners, and then the cannon fodder who've had to chase wins around the circuit. Dunno, but it will be interesting to see.

Previously, under the old 'slot' system the top-10 in Kona got a 'free pass' for the next year (no validation). I'm kind of surprised they haven't done that again, and perhaps added-in a validation race.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
Yeah, I know this was the old system i.e. Pro KQ slots, but I think what could happen is you'll get a handful of very fresh race winners, and then the cannon fodder who've had to chase wins around the circuit. Dunno, but it will be interesting to see.

Previously, under the old 'slot' system the top-10 in Kona got a 'free pass' for the next year (no validation). I'm kind of surprised they haven't done that again, and perhaps added-in a validation race.


Did you find that people raced less throughout the year? I mean if Skipper wins this has an 11 month build to Kona. No need to race 4 times in summer so maybe go to Roth and do a load of 70.3's?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess economic factors come into play for most LD pros - do you keep the prize money coming in by racing regularly, or do you race sparsely and gamble on a big payday at Kona?

Unless you've got generous sponsors or independent means, I think most would go for the former. Back in the day, the Bayliss's seemed to race and podium at pretty much every race in Europe, but they never did anything at Kona.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRO Saracen wrote:
Just posted on ST - the Colonel's bike splits by section:

Laps
1- 0:30:02 IF 0.91 NP 347 26.4mph VI 1.01
2- 0:30:01 IF 0.87 NP 332 26.8mph VI 1.00
3- 0:30:28 IF 0.87 NP 332 26.5mph VI 1.01
4- 0:29:48 IF 0.82 NP 311 25.9mph VI 1.01
5- 0:18:00 IF 0.87 NP 330 23.5mph (Climb to Hawi) VI 1.01
6- 0:57:42 IF 0.74 NP 281 27.5mph VI 1.01
7- 1:11:53 IF 0.68 NP 258 25.5mph VI 1.04

Overall IF 0.81 NP 308 26.2mph 4h15

So first 90 mins of the bike at near 90% FTP, with another 18 mins at 87% up to Hawi just to finish himself off.

Looks to me like rattled after his swim time he went through all his matched by halfway....

'If I only had a brain....'


Interesting - his video post analysis Iím sure he said he could only hold 230 after he detonated.

Heís wearing his heart on his sleeve, Iím not sure thatís wise for him.
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