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iwaters




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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:06 am    Post subject: Fan Dance Reply with quote

Decided to stop sulking after Lanza and get back on it. Found something a bit different. Entered the FanDance race in January. 24km up and over Pen y Fan in Brecon Beacons in hiking boots carrying 16kg + food and water. Up the main path, down Jacobs Ladder along a rocky path, turn round and back to the start.

Be doing lots of trail running up hills for training.

Lots of kit to buy as well. Hardest part I think will be getting the kit without looking like a massive Walt / SAS Wannabe!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even these days, there are plenty of better options than issue kit. I've no idea if this is your first time doing something like this, but the main thing to avoid are 'hot spots' where your kit rubs (essentially boots & pack). Plenty of time to buy & try out kit. Try running uphill with 16kg + water first, then come up with a plan.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone in boots with 16kg actually run as such?

Quite interested in doing the 'clean fatigue' version one day, ie fell shoes and minimal pack.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan - yes first time. Got loads of info from the organisers on training and kit. Going to invest in some decent boots. Plenty of time to test as you say. Advice on bergens seems to be the issue kit is good and get it 2ND hand from surplus.


Andy - going fast seems to be achieved by walking up then fast decent by leaning back and going for it. Fast jog / run on the flats.

A decent yard stick seems to be the selection time of 4 hours. Obvs will be aiming for that.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iwaters wrote:
Andy - going fast seems to be achieved by walking up then fast decent by leaning back and going for it. Fast jog / run on the flats.


If you lean back carrying that weight you'll slip onto your ar5e if it's damp. Lean forward. Best thing is to strap on the weight, go for a brisk undulating walk and work out your strategy from there. That's almost a 'standard' sack of coal on your back, before you add consumables i.e. rations. Traversing is also an under-utilised 'skill'.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy916 wrote:
Does anyone in boots with 16kg actually run as such?

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Run it many a time...but tabbing is a far better strategy
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boots ordered. Went for an army specific tabbing boot from Altberg. Light weight boot based on a running shoe cast.

I'm going for a weekend in the peak district in October for some training and kit testing. Need to get the boots broken in for then.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd avoid boots if you want a fast time...I used Merrill Trails last time out which worked well....
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
I'd avoid boots if you want a fast time...I used Merrill Trails last time out which worked well....


Boots are mandatory for winter load bearing category. They do say civilian ones are OK as long as they have sufficient ankle support.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iwaters wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
I'd avoid boots if you want a fast time...I used Merrill Trails last time out which worked well....


Boots are mandatory for winter load bearing category. They do say civilian ones are OK as long as they have sufficient ankle support.


Interesting....but, as ever, shows a lack of understanding of footwear....
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not been on here for some time......................but thinking of giving it a go again next year.

I did the clean fatigue Fan Dance with my dog in 2017-3 feet of snow and sideways strong wind. Enjoyed it-think I came 3rd and my dog 4th! Even clean fatigue you have to run carrying quite a lot of stuff. That was heavy enough for me.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grow a Mexican 'tache - that will make you faster too.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
Grow a Mexican 'tache - that will make you faster too.


and harder...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cutting Edge P Company episode from 1992 popped-up on my Youtube last week - so I gave that a watch Very Happy All very shouty and sweary back then, and even actually quite different from 'How to make Royal Marines Officer' from the late 80s, where they get called Sir from day one and no swearing...it's more 'killing-you-softly'. The P Coy Major though, what a stilted character!

I think it changed a lot during the 90s. The Litchfield Depot was practically bullying in '92 when I was there; at least if you were seen to be a 'mong'. A lot of manhandling. Because I was "king of the BFT", they always saddled me with the 'Gimpy' Rolling Eyes Then when I went through offr training in the late 90s, it was a lot more genteel, but the instructors still swore (both offrs & sncos) no manhandling or bullying obviously. Wonder what it's like now.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

P Company changed in the 80s from all in the Shot to a final Brecon phase. In some ways it was easier and others harder depending on your psyche.

They then added those 3 lives that aired on cutting edge. I assume that was to curb the attrition rate. Not sure it added any value up the road, just made up the numbers

I thought the OC was good value. Told it how it was.....at least it was slightly less saccharine than 480 platoon....
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