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Tri'ing Swimmer




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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No went long 2017 conditions pretty much perfect, have had this year off but tempted to get back in the game next year.

49-5:50-3:31 splits.

Average HR 130 on bike with max 151. Max HR on the bike is about 176. Last year I was at a gym with wattbike and had a play around, best 20 minute effort was 295W in January which was my last test, but I was hitting much lower numbers as the year went on (2x20 at 255W instead of 270). And have never had any confidence I could convert those wattbike numbers into on the rosd performance.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tri'ing Swimmer wrote:
No went long 2017 conditions pretty much perfect, have had this year off but tempted to get back in the game next year.

49-5:50-3:31 splits.


What would you say your strongest discipline is?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poet. wrote:
Jorgan wrote:
Not even a 10:0* to your name? Amateur. Unfortunately I have three Frustrated


Where were yours though Wink Austria, Roth and ?
You did 10:28 at Outlaw, didn't you? Slower than my times Wink
(Did someone mention OutWar)

Seems to me that Outlaw is pretty slow, even for a "fast" course?
My placings were;
2010 6th in AG / 34th overall
2011 2nd in AG / 14th overall
2012 6th in AG / 21st overall

Previous TTers;
Carl James did a 10:05 at Outlaw in 2012, then backed it up with a 9:35 at Austria (can't recall if that was the same year, or the following one?)
Tom Van Rossum did 9:50 at Outlaw in 2012, he's now a Kona Qualifier.


Regensburg was my infamous 10:00 PB, and that's not a fast course; there was a long steady 12km climb on each lap, plus one of 7km. But tbh that suited me better than a course like Austria where it's constantly up & down - the bike is my 'weakest' event, and I don't like the constant power spikes. In Regensburg I remember shouting to a marshal it was like a training ride as I was completely alone at one point!

Have to agree that the Outlaw despite being pretty 'flat' is quite slow due to the terrible road surfaces and all the very slow dead turns on the loop you do twice. It's also very boring - much like the run. Don't forget I'd been a Vet for 4 years when I did that slipshod 10:28 Wink You wouldn't finish that high in Outlaw with those times nowadays; probably a good 20-30 go sub 10 now.

As we discussed on Strava, the conditions for 'success' are returning, in that I can currently ride to work 3/4 times a week again, the pool is right opposite the office and it's a good run distance home too (double run days), about 10 miles shortest route. Long may it continue.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
Tri'ing Swimmer wrote:
No went long 2017 conditions pretty much perfect, have had this year off but tempted to get back in the game next year.

49-5:50-3:31 splits.


What would you say your strongest discipline is?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tri'ing Swimmer wrote:
No went long 2017 conditions pretty much perfect, have had this year off but tempted to get back in the game next year.

49-5:50-3:31 splits.

Average HR 130 on bike with max 151. Max HR on the bike is about 176. Last year I was at a gym with wattbike and had a play around, best 20 minute effort was 295W in January which was my last test, but I was hitting much lower numbers as the year went on (2x20 at 255W instead of 270). And have never had any confidence I could convert those wattbike numbers into on the rosd performance.


Cheers - good insight there...those splits would make for an interesting race...first(ish) out of the swim, get passed on the bike, then pick them all of again on the run!
My HR was buggered for 2012, all my data prior to that is gone Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
Regensburg was my infamous 10:00 PB, and that's not a fast course; there was a long steady 20km climb on each lap. But tbh that suited me better than a course like Austria where it's constantly up & down - the bike is my 'weakest' event, and I don't like the constant power spikes. In Regensburg I remember shouting to a marshal it was like a training ride as I was completely alone at one point!


I'm awful at descending, those courses with a gentle climbs and a long easy descent seem to be pretty rapid. (barcelona for one, including the drafting)
Yeah - Outlaw was LONELY for me, too.

Jorgan wrote:
You wouldn't finish that high in Outlaw with those times nowadays; probably a good 20-30 go sub 10 now.


I know, right! People have got smarter with their training; get a power meter, a nice little Zwift set-up and a training shed in the garden...seems to be the norm now?
(Though when the TCX route messes up on the club runs, nobody has a f***ing clue where we are - reliance on technology is bad)

Yup - training is going well at the minute...see what November brings
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zwift session last night was hard and only 231W for 45 minutes (NP240W)

Mentally preparing for an ftp test, last one I did in March, my ftp was 298

Currently a really hard 85km club ride over 2.5 hours, I have an NP around 250W
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm awful at descending, those courses with a gentle climbs and a long easy descent seem to be pretty rapid. (barcelona for one, including the drafting)


Except it was the opposite way around to Austria; it was a long grind, followed by a very steep rapid descent taking less than 5 mins. It was wet too, you would have loved it.

https://www.mapmyride.com/de/neutraubling-bavaria/ironman-regensburg-bike-course-route-42045338
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsurf wrote:
Zwift session last night was hard and only 231W for 45 minutes (NP240W)

Mentally preparing for an ftp test, last one I did in March, my ftp was 298

Currently a really hard 85km club ride over 2.5 hours, I have an NP around 250W


Great if you weigh 70kg, not so great if you're 90kg Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
mattsurf wrote:
Zwift session last night was hard and only 231W for 45 minutes (NP240W)

Mentally preparing for an ftp test, last one I did in March, my ftp was 298

Currently a really hard 85km club ride over 2.5 hours, I have an NP around 250W


Great if you weigh 70kg, not so great if you're 90kg Very Happy


Weighed 73kg before Weymouth... probably the wrong side of 75 at the moment

of course on Zwift I weigh 45kg
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Weighed 73kg before Weymouth... probably the wrong side of 75 at the moment


All those Fondues are a killer.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got pleasantly surprised last night. My FTP was 245 when I checked in June while preparing for an extreme IM in the Pyrenees (obviously too low for that kind of jazz, but I got through).

Last night, a month after my main A event, it had gone up to 255. Sure, I've kept training since then but still thought it had gone down.

So my rationale is that if I keep eating chocolate and crisps for another month I'll gain another 10w. Easy!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
mattsurf wrote:
Weighed 73kg before Weymouth... probably the wrong side of 75 at the moment


All those Fondues are a killer.


Still to warm for Fondues, weight will go up to 80kg in Fondue season
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
Tri'ing Swimmer wrote:
No went long 2017 conditions pretty much perfect, have had this year off but tempted to get back in the game next year.

49-5:50-3:31 splits.


What would you say your strongest discipline is?


The 4th (or is it 5th) - Eating
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On Tuesday did my first run for 3 1/2, having stopped to recover from injury, no problem from injury, however, all of my other muscles have gone on vacation
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