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Sue




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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 5:28 pm    Post subject: New bike to buy ---Help!!!! Reply with quote

Advise desperately needed Exclamation
My man indoors (who doesn't come to races, runs, training or tri's) has deemed that for my birthday --(and Christmas, and wedding anniversary, and for being a good girl,) that he will buy me a proper bike, now that I have shown a commitment to tri's Very Happy . He says I can go upto "about" 999 (-I must have been very good, and yes I am except fot tri's Very Happy ) BUT what do I do now Question I obviously want one my size, light (so I can lift it onto the car), but what else since there seems so many variants Confused In my mind I'm anxious about having my feet "strapped" to the pedals but know I should -as long as I can get one out as I keel over I'm sure it's getting used to them Embarassed . I've never tried drop down handle bars but is it worth getting aero's also since I won't be replacing this bike so need to think long term.
I was wondering if anyone had been to the cycle show that is advertised for next weekend in Islington, and would there be experts in tri equipment, or does anyone know of shops in Surrey area (or easily accessible from M25 junction 8 Cool where staff will be able to advise properly Question Is it worth buying now with the season at an end so that I can at least get some riding time during the coming months Question (and before my man indoors decides that I haven't been that good after all Embarassed ) So many questions Rolling Eyes but all comments will be very gratefully recieved Very Happy It's quite exciting really Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Sue,

How exciting getting your first bike, partic as you can spend the magic 1000 which should get you something very decent if you shop around in the sales or are lucky with something second hand Very Happy

Last year I was fortunate to find a second-hand bargain for 950 - the carbon-bladed TT bike you saw at Sevenoaks.
The frame was a few cms short for me but don't get too hung up on frame size. Yes, you need to find a suitable size, but if you're a few cms out you can make up for it by, for example, buying a slightly larger bar stem.

Anyway, first thing is to find out your ideal frame size. What is your height? It may be an idea to pop into a shop to get a better idea as bike-sizes can very by manufacturers. I know trek and cannondale are about 2cm in difference. You CAN have a bio-racer measurement carried out. I know Evans (Wandsworth) and Sigma Sport (Kingston, over the bridge) do this. They willl measure inside leg, arm length, etc to find perfect bike for you. However it'll cost you about 20-25 I think. This can be taken off purchase of one of their bikes.

Now is a good time of the year to look around the shops for bargains as the companies try and off-load this seasons bikes. There are a few good shops in London you can try out:

*Sigma Sport, Kingston - Tri-spec bikes mainly Cool
*Triandrun, Hainault - Tri-sepc bikes. They make their own brand and do a good package of bike, helmet, cycle shoes, etc - check out 220 for ads
*Evans, Waterloo (the cut), and Oxford Street, and Wandsworth - a very good selection of bikes partic bianchi, trek, specialised and cannondale
*Cycle Surgery, near Liverpool Street - I've seen some very good bargains here, partic specialised compacts. ALso have a running store attached to the back now that has some tri gear
*Condor Cycles, Chancery Lane - Very good bike store. Not sure what they about tri though.

So you can basically shop around these stores and see if somehting takes your eye. If you happen to find a nice bike in Waterloo (The Cut) that is NOT on sale, then let me know as have a 10% discount card from work......I work in Victoria and pop down there at lunchtimes occasionaly.
But you'd prob find a good bargain somewhere, even a 2000 close to half price!

Idea Despite saying all this, which is what most people do as you will have a guarantee on the bike and a free service after a few months, I personally think you should shop for something second hand. If you really want something at the top end of the market and not have to worry about upgrading various items on your bike over the years, or feel you are losing out 1min on th next rider who has carbon wheels, then go 2nd hand. If you can't find anything decent that's about your size for a month or two THEN look for something on the sales Shocked

I recommend looking daily at the triathletes-uk classifieds section first (http://www.triathletes-uk.org/forsale.html). You may spot a good tri bike here. Noticed there is an ad dated 16 Sept for a Hotta 650cc TT bike. Sounds very good. They say they are 5'11 but if the bike is size small then it should be about right for you I'd imagine (they prob have a large bar stem or tri-bars....so you could check that out).....anyway just an example. I put a wanted ad on here for what I was looking for which is how I got my TT bike offer. People will come to you....far better Very Happy

Other places to hunt for second-hand bargains would be ebay (www.ebay.co.uk) and loot (www.loot.co.uk) and the various cycling mags, oh and 220! Rolling Eyes Cool But you'd prob have to be very quick with these as anything decent will get snatched up! Sad

Hope this is of help. As I said, search 2nd hand first, and checking out for sales in the shops above.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spotted this one:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3627723521&category=7298
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gulp, Confused thanks Daz,
I'll have to sit and read. Looked at the spec. with the one you found, it was really confusing to me Confused ( Couldn't even see the size -is it the "frame set"?). I'll prob. be back (-and back ) with more questions, so apols now if I sound "not very knowledgeable" Embarassed Many thanks -and watch this space --please Exclamation
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy You lucky lucky girl Very Happy . When you've read a few copies of Cycling Weekly you'll soon be talking the talk Cool , till then, check out http://www.sheldonbrown.com/glossary.html and reviews at http://www.roadbikereview.com/reviewscrx.aspx almost everything here is available for us in UK. Umpteen websites explain how and why frame size is THE most important thing. You may find these two appropriate http://www.coloradocyclist.com/BikeFit/index.cfm and http://www.totalbike.com/service/frame_size.php. Have fun Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embarassed Sorry Sue, I Forgot to respond to your queries. If I was new to drop bars, I'd leave 'aeros' as a bolt on extra for a time when I had more experience, ditto, clipless pedals. Toe clips are easy to use Smile , you can set off pedalling on the wrong side of the pedal then flick them over and wiggle your toe in as you go zooming off Very Happy just leave the straps really loose till you get used to them. Most dealers claim there's no end of season sale Laughing . Whatever Confused from november to february ish you can save about 20% on the new season price of a bike Very Happy The whole cycling thing is as simple or complex as you want to make it Confused and the net is an xlent resource Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Daz - had to refine your advice a little!

[quote="Darryl"]The frame was a few cms short for me but don't get too hung up on frame size. Yes, you need to find a suitable size, but if you're a few cms out you can make up for it by, for example, buying a slightly larger bar stem.[/quote]

Errr...agree that a smaller frame is not a problem. In fact, cyclists prefer smalle frames as (a) they're lighter and (b) they're more responsive. However, you'll have major problems if the frame's too large for you and no amount of adjusting will get it right.

[quote="Darryl"]Anyway, first thing is to find out your ideal frame size. What is your height? [/quote]

Height's got nothing to do with it - it depends on your inside leg measurement (in cms). If you have a long body but standard legs, you'll need a standard frame but with extended stem (i.e. the handlebars are further away from you).

[quote="Darryl"]You CAN have a bio-racer measurement carried out. [/quote]

The cheap and quick version - sit on the bike with your hands on the drops. If you can see the front wheel hub, it needs adjustment (if major, the bike's the wrong size for you). If you can't see it, it's about right and will only need very minor adjustments.

[quote="Darryl"]I personally think you should shop for something second hand. [/quote]

Dangerous territory for a beginner - it's bad enough relying on sales staff (see the Halford's thread) without having to trust a "civilian". Don't forget, you'll have absolutely no comeback once you've handed over the cash. Also, if the bike's been involved in a crash, it needs to have been thoroughly checked out as there may be hairline fractures in the tubes that cannot be seen to the naked eye.

I agree with larstorders - leave aerobars as an add-on unless you intend to do nothing but timetrials, i.e., no long rides in the hills, etc. Clipless pedals are easier than they look and, once mastered, they carry less risk of falling over! Embarassed
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sue, I can't really advise you what to buy as it is soooo personal with bikes - but listen to the advice that Rob, Daz and Lastorders have given you and you won't go far wrong. What I can say though is that now is a good time to buy as retailers are flogging off the last of the 03 bikes at great prices as they are now getting the 04 bikes in. The deals that you tend to see after xmas are not so good - it's whats left in funny sizes etc. I know this as I've just bought a new bike a month ago and got a fantastic deal Cool
Also, the importance of good after sales service can't be stressed enough, even to the point where I'd pay a bit more from somewhere where I felt I was going to get better service.

Buying a new bike is fantastic, don't rush into it, enjoy the looking, researching, touching trying etc. Have fun and enjoy the whole process.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Sue,

I bought my first road bike this year for my first season. I did not have a clue which bike to buy, all I knew is that I had a budget of 1k for that I wanted a bike and pedals. My hubby did read a lot of mags etc before we bought anything. We then went to a independant bike shop and also our tri shop. I choose a Giant OCR T2, may not mean anything to you just now but look it up on Giant's web site. I paid 875 for it. I really like my bike, feels and looks great. The reason for my choice was the frame size, I am only 5feet 5 and have short legs, the Giant Small frame was perfect for me. Giant bikes come in small, medium and large frames. I have profile bog standard tri bars which once you get used to, are really ace! Only a month ago I flipped my stem so that I am a bit more aerodynamic. I would agree that you should get toe clips to start with, I am still not 100% confident with mine yet, even though I have clip in pedals on my mountain bike - its not the same!!! I think a really good point to make for us women is, make sure you get a comfy seat and that is one good plus point when buying a Giant!

Hope this helps Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Rob, concentrate on providing your own positive view rather than playing down those of others.

[quote="Rob"]Errr...agree that a smaller frame is not a problem. In fact, cyclists prefer smalle frames as (a) they're lighter and (b) they're more responsive. However, you'll have major problems if the frame's too large for you and no amount of adjusting will get it right. [/quote]

I thought that went without saying. If bike frame is too short by a few cms Sue then you can have extensions as I said. But yes a frame that is too big will be a problem

[quote="Rob"] Height's got nothing to do with it - it depends on your inside leg measurement (in cms). If you have a long body but standard legs, you'll need a standard frame but with extended stem (i.e. the handlebars are further away from you).[/quote]

For an idea of what sort of bike size to go for (which is what we're after at this stage) height has a lot to do with! When picking the right frame you need to take into consideration inside leg length, arm length, upper torso length, etc. All of these can be measured by a Bio-Racer. And this will be free if a bike is purchased from the shop that did it.....better than doing it by yourself.......and just looking over the front wheel ( Confused )

[quote="Rob"]Dangerous territory for a beginner - it's bad enough relying on sales staff (see the Halford's thread) without having to trust a "civilian". Don't forget, you'll have absolutely no comeback once you've handed over the cash. Also, if the bike's been involved in a crash, it needs to have been thoroughly checked out as there may be hairline fractures in the tubes that cannot be seen to the naked eye.[/quote]

So Rob, how do you explain the fact that I have a high spec bike with dura-ace, bar-end shifters on syntace c2, carbon 4-blade spinergy wheels and anodised cranks for about the same amount as you paid for your 1400 (or 1500?) Trek from Evans??
I think second-hand is definitely worth looking into Sue, as there are some real bargains there. And for 1000 you could get (as in the example link I sent you) something around the 3000 mark. Just take a knowledgeable friend with you to be safe Wink

Rob is bound to come back and disagree like he normally does... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't let this one go. The reason it's more expensive is that I have a guarantee that (a) if it's wrong in any way for me (b) if there's anything wrong with the bike or (c) if the frame fails in any way I'll get a refund or replacement. The frame is guaranteed with Trek for life. Buying secondhand has no guarantees if buying privately - caveat emptor - and only 6 months frame/parts if from shop (always a better bet, as they check the frame before selling).

Daz: "height has a lot to do with! When picking the right frame you need to take into consideration inside leg length, arm length, upper torso length".

None of those actually measure your height by itself, which proves my point. The rule of thumb works as a rough guide, which will be useful when trying to buy a s/hand bike - unless shops now do free Bio-tests for all customers, whether buying new or not, in which case I stand corrected. Otherwise, the eye-sight is the best way to find out whether major adjustments will be needed to the s/hand bike - you may find you'll need to buy a longer seat post, handlebars, stem, crank arms, etc.

One rule above all - if you don't feel comfortable on it, don't buy it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No worries mate. I'll just contine to post quicker times than you on my superior model Razz
btw, if you use the same expensive bike for training and racing then you WILL have a concern over bike failures. That's why I have two bikes. My trek is a wreck but gets the training in. The racing bike is used for races only and have had no probs with it at all for the whole year.

Question Rule of thumb for most people is to generally look for a bikes based on their height alone. As I said, unless you have short or long legs (which I think the average person will know) then you can't go far wrong. Bio-racers are free if you buy from the shop that gave it to you (Evans). They will tell you the size of frame needed (a 52cm labelled Trek frame is not the same for Cannondale) as well as the best length of bar stem and tri bars. Oh and width of handlebars as well as seat height. Saves lot of messing about when you have a printout of everything in front of you.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do they do the same free test if Sue were to buy a secondhand bike? Also, I don't think she can afford two bikes with 1000. Fro the record, I have three, including an MTB, but that's coz I don't like parting with a friend that I've sat on for years and grown to love!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy's, Guy's -I'm listening to you all, don't fight, Embarassed
I will take my time to look and read and especially like the touchy-trying bit slowpoke Wink
I am only 5feet 2 (at a stretch Shocked ) and think my bike now is a bit big so that has to be correct.
Now on the lookout for a "knowledgeable friend" -may be worse than trying to find a bike Crying or Very sad Even the names mean nothing to me at present Embarassed
Will not rush into anything and I can always check with all of you Very Happy It's certainly making interesting reading already Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

larstorders Smile
have just looked up the glossary of terms Exclamation Shocked Words fail me Confused But I know where to go if I don't know something Wink Very informative sites -need a day off to read thro', but will get there Laughing
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