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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:27 am    Post subject: Silly news items Reply with quote

Just saw these two gems on iBBC this morning:

Echinacea does not treat colds - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3256026.stm

Of course it doesn't - nothing can cure a cold, only alleviate the symptoms. Echi's supposed to be as prevention, something that medicine nowadays seems to have forgotten....

Car fumes linked to child coughs - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3254448.stm

Duh! You don't say!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is echinacea any good? My mum gave me some last week as I've been feeling unwell - a week later I'm still unwell and don't think it's made a blind bit of difference. Maybe if I'd taken it the week before I wouldn't have got ill. Hard to tell I suppose.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont know about echni. but i always dose up on vit c if i start to feel dodgy or come into contact with anyone who has a cold/flu. the two chaps who sit either side of me at work have passed flu between them in the past two weeks and I'm fine - fwiw ( asda 180 tabs 4 ish each tab 800% RDA )
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually take between 500mg - 1000mg vit C per day, plus any extra I get from fruit, veg, Ribena etc. I find it usually takes me a lot longer to catch whatever is going round - but I still get ill. I guess if there was a sure fire cure for colds/flu etc whoever came up with it would be pretty rich.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't cure colds - apparently each one is physiologically different so that manufacturing a drug would only work for one type of cold among the millions of varieties. Also, you can only catch a cold once as your immune system develops the correct antibodies. The next cold is different, so you catch that one too...etc, etc, ad infinitum.

Flu's different and can be prevented by vaccination. That's the theory, anyway - flu bugs mutate to avoid whatever drug is jabbed into you, so you might catch it after all.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Echinace doesnt prevent cols it just helps keep them at bay and recover more quickly. I have taken courses over the last couple of years and have found it does help clear the cold more quickly if you take the req'd amount.

Anyways this test is just based on the treatment of upper respiratory tract infections in children two to 11 years old. And they do state that it still contradicts "many other studies that show the beneficial effect of taking echinacea." there's always going to be one!!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darryl wrote:
Echinace doesnt prevent cols it just helps keep them at bay.....


Isn't that prevention?

Darryl wrote:
contradicts "many other studies that show the beneficial effect of taking echinacea." there's always going to be one!!


...usually one funded by a pharmaceutical company! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing you nit-picker!

i think HELPS keep at bay isn't the same as prevention personally


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...usually one funded by a pharmaceutical company!


not according to that report:

"Medical herbalists seldom recommend single herb treatments, or supplements as a 'one pill fits all' solution.

"Qualified medical herbalists treat patients individually, with individually formulated herbal medicine, which may contain a number of active herbal ingredients. If used properly, echinacea is a powerful and effective herb."

The research is published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA).

Your move Rommel!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant the study that shows that herbal treatments don't work... it's in the interests of the drug companies to fund a university to form an "independent" study and then reports (surprise, surprise) that you should take drugs instead of natural substances.

Czech, mate?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tests have been carried out independently by universities on herbal treatments (inc the effects of echinacea) for years mate!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here you go mate, I've found one from an Italian Uni just for you (Milan). From their research they also found it's beneficial in treating skin probs. There is also a mention to some german research on its benefits with upper-resp tract infections, under the paragraph titled 'The work with humans'

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0128b.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ay-up, they have a forum on that site.......!
Cool

http://www.pponline.co.uk/forums/ppo/
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're missing the point, mate - everyone knows tobacco is bad, right? Well, there has been research to prove otherwise. By universities and other research orgs. Which were funded by an NGO. That in turn is funded by tobacco companies.

So, whenever there's conflicting evidence, ask yourself who's funding the research.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tobacco is bad? Oh come on Robert, you don't believe everything you read do you? I've put up listening to all this sugar and fat is bad stuff, but tobacco? Next you'll be saying alcohol rots your liver. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't listen to anything he says chief, unless I need a good laugh/cheering up Wink Very Happy
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