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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:52 am    Post subject: Lands End - John O'Groats Reply with quote

Need help....
I'm going to give this a go in 2 weeks time - from 19th June. I've never 'toured' before so have no idea what to expect, although I do know now I get sore after about 60miles+ Mad

Any advice would be much appreciated! So far I have a route planned to Stockton on Tees where hopefully a friend will join me. If I do the whole thing it'll be 1100 miles in about 14-15 days hopefully.

If you've done this before can you give me some tips? I partic need advice/answers to the following?

    1. Tri bars - are they needed? I currently have carbon strykes on this bike. Think may be useful when I want to rest the upper body.
    2. How much weight can I get away with and how much will it slow me down? I weight 75kgs, the bike's a Trek 1100 so not light!
    3. Take food - what kind? or eat out?
    4. How will the mileage day in and day out affect me? I'm not one for heavy mileage. I've cycled as far in last 8 months as I'll do in these 2 weeks.
    5. B&B or Hostel?
    6. Do I need to book accom in advance?
    7. I don't have a very high/easy gear so hills will be a nightmare. How much would it cost to get a large ring fitted?


Cheers for any advice, I'll prob have a lot more! Rolling Eyes

My current plan is on blog: http://www.tritalk.co.uk/forums/view.php?b=11
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never done this but from reading Tim Moore's book on riding the toure de france and from doing the pennine way a long long time back. If you do "rough it" in basic accommodation for most of the way, make sure that you have regular "treats" of somewhere really nice to stay in - gives you something to look forward to.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Tri bars - are they needed? I currently have carbon strykes on this bike. Think may be useful when I want to rest the upper body.

>>Yes, will help your back having optins. May be an idea to raise the front end a bit too as all out speed isn't going to be an issue, and over 2 weeks back pain could put you out of action.

2. How much weight can I get away with and how much will it slow me down? I weight 75kgs, the bike's a Trek 1100 so not light!

Main concern is balance, getting up hills, and to a lesser extent the rear wheel. How are you carrying stuff, front & rear panniers, or just rear?
Essentially your limit is going to be the fact you've got to carry it up hills, but look at a max of 20kg. The bike & wheel will be fine with this.

3. Take food - what kind? or eat out?

Mainly for the reason above, aim to eat out, but eat loads. Flapjack and chocolate bars, are very good. You'll loose loads of weight over the 2 weeks whatever, so just aim to get the calories in any which way. Only problem with eating out is having to take clothes with you that are smart enough to get into pubs / restraunts.

4. How will the mileage day in and day out affect me? I'm not one for heavy mileage. I've cycled as far in last 8 months as I'll do in these 2 weeks.

How would running a half marathon every day for 2 weeks effect you? Seriouly start off very steady and plan in a few rest days. If you're feeling strong then you can always skip one.

5. B&B or Hostel?
Hostel would be easier to eat in and therefore have less of a problem with clothes and the need to eat out. B&B will get you a better nights sleep (you'lll need it after the first couple of days) and you'll be grateful of the brekkies.


6. Do I need to book accom in advance?

You're outside of school hols and so I'd say chance it, or book the day before. If you book now for the whole trip you're tied to being at a specific place on a specific night and you don't know if that's too optimistic / conservative.
7. I don't have a very high/easy gear so hills will be a nightmare. How much would it cost to get a large ring fitted
By large ring I think you mean larger cassette (bigger ring would only help on the downhills Very Happy ) You can get a 12-27 cassette (normal is a 12-25), but they are pretty rare in ultegra flavour (well I found it hard to get one). Ultegra are 35, Dura ace nearer 80.

Personally I'd suggest a triple would be the much better option, but that's going to mean new cranks , front shifter, front mech, chain & rear mech (long cage) and would be 150 to 200 for ultegra (off the top of my head, check parkers for actual cost).

If you are going to be in the Peaks before the 25th then I will happily keep you company for a day and provide beds / the biggest meal ever served. Sadly after the Saturday I'm off to Austria so can't help.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blimey ! That's something I want to do in the future with some pals, but I'm planning on waiting til I retire or something - fill in the time.

Don't think my wife would be too happy with me blowing most of my holidays on one bike trip.

I'd definitely go with tri bars, but forget all the low down race position. I'd just go for your normal road position and bung the bars on top there. But it's something I'd like to test beforehand.

Again - same with luggage - best to test it out beforehand so you're happy with the way the bike handles. But lighter is better. Take the bare minimum, apart from bike kit.

Regular 80 mile days will definitely take it out of you. It's gonna be a good 5 or so hours in the saddle each day. Take it easy and rest as much as possible.

It will be a great adventure though - take a camera and record the journey and let us know all about it. Good luck !
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Guys,

I have two rear panniers (care of rob) which seem big enough to take all I need. However, having made a list of items the other day I'm starting to get worried....! I also wanted to take my tent (weighs in at 8lbs) and sleeping bag. They can be tied to the top of the pannier/directly behind the saddle. Going to be a monster but I guess it should be ok to go up to 20kgs with my weight being 75?
Then I can have a nice camp at west bay, and ditch the tent, s-bag when I get to folks house on end Day 4 (shropshire). As no way I can lug it all on the gears I have in scotland (if get that far). Thats the plan anyway.

Its a damn quill stem (or whatever its called) so not much I can do about lifting tribars unfort.

Worse day will be the first - get to Penzance at 2:45pm and have to cycle to lands end, then back to plymouth (90miles at least). But I'll tootle on Day2.

Coug, reckon you should do it! I'm v excited at moment. The ironman is nothign compared to this for me.

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If you are going to be in the Peaks before the 25th then I will happily keep you company for a day and provide beds / the biggest meal ever served. Sadly after the Saturday I'm off to Austria so can't help.


Duncan, where exactly do you live in the Peak Distcrict (?)? That would be much appreciated, but if northern end it might not work....
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where does your route take through and after Shropshire? Woiuld meet up and ride a little with you although I think you may need to slow down a bit even with all that baggage you'll be carrying!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daz - Glossop.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duncan, Cheers but you only seem to be about 10-15miles from Holmfirth where I've already planned to stay at friends house. If you were south it would have been perfect! I should hopefully be cycling through Glossop and along Torside reservoir (is it hilly around here?) sat lunchtime though if you're still around?

fatboyinlycra wrote:
Where does your route take through and after Shropshire? Woiuld meet up and ride a little with you although I think you may need to slow down a bit even with all that baggage you'll be carrying!


Cool mate. Well I've got planned the following route:
friday 24th june : tenbury wells - ludlow - shipton - telford - newport - stafford - uttoxeter - ashbourne (stay overnight)
sat 25th: ashbourne - buxton - glossop - holmfirth
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daz, plan in you stop at stoke on trent and i am more than happy to put you up for the night and make sure your feed and water well at no cost what so ever.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daz wrote:
Duncan, Cheers but you only seem to be about 10-15miles from Holmfirth where I've already planned to stay at friends house. If you were south it would have been perfect! I should hopefully be cycling through Glossop and along Torside reservoir (is it hilly around here?) sat lunchtime though if you're still around?


Daz, the A628 is 'undulating', but fine. However, the ride from Buxton to Glossop is a real pain, and then the A6024 is a massive climb that I'd not like to attempt without panniers let alone with. Honestly get a triple fitted or you'll be walking 10 miles of this day and I really mean that with no disrespect to your cycling ability. The Chapel en-le Frith to glossop is called the Chinley Churn and then Chunal hill. Here is a route profile that shows those bits Click me

Saturday I'll be around, last day but will almost certainly be up for meeting you at Buxton and escortign you to Glossop. Will also sort out lunch for you as well if that fits.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a great laugh.

I'd vouch for the hostels, so long as they fit in with your planned route, and they probably will.

Camping can be a real pleasure and also a real pain - if you decide you are going to ditch the camping you can shed a lot of kit, although it does mean that you can't collapse where you like and go to sleep. Other option would be an ultralightweight sleeping bag and bivvy bag, but that puts the cost up.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray wrote:
Daz, plan in you stop at stoke on trent and i am more than happy to put you up for the night and make sure your feed and water well at no cost what so ever.


Ray,
that would be great! It'll break up the distance from tenbury wells to holmfirth perfectly. That'll be night of Friday 24th, that ok? and where eactly you live?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

duncan74 wrote:

Daz, the A628 is 'undulating', but fine. However, the ride from Buxton to Glossop is a real pain, and then the A6024 is a massive climb that I'd not like to attempt without panniers let alone with. Honestly get a triple fitted or you'll be walking 10 miles of this day and I really mean that with no disrespect to your cycling ability. The Chapel en-le Frith to glossop is called the Chinley Churn and then Chunal hill. Here is a route profile that shows those bits Click me

Saturday I'll be around, last day but will almost certainly be up for meeting you at Buxton and escortign you to Glossop. Will also sort out lunch for you as well if that fits.


Duncan,
If I stay in Stoke at Ray's then it'll be about 20 miles (?) to buxton on sat morning. Fancy a bike ride from there then?

Wicked! Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Works for me, just give me a call on the Friday night to remind me!

I'll PM you my mobile.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jes Ive just seen the profile of Chapel frith to glossop - evil! I may have to walk up some? And I may need to circum-navigate from glossop to holmfirth to avoid hills......
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