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Tin Pot




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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that went well.

Got there in time to splash about first - warmer in the water than out, very calm and blue skies so only the other competitors to worry about. Hard to guess how good everyone else will be? Everyone was setting off together for 750, 1500, 3000 and 4500 distances - I was in for 3km, four 750m loops. Looked around and saw a half dozen or so with the same colour caps as me.

Motored into the water, saw someone with the same cap going a bit faster than my comfort zone and tried to keep up. It seems following feet isn't as straightforward as it is in a lake swim. Nevertheless, kept behind this guy for two laps, hadn't seen anyone else in our caps for a lap so it looked like my race was against this guy.

tested him at the start of the third lap - he pulled it back and we were level. Then I noticed him make a sighting error and I cut across and put in some beans to make a break. Then there was no one ahead, and you don't know who is behind so I got to the last lap and put the hammer down and didn't see anyone, all the time fearing someone would suddenly zoom past. Final buoy and sprinted all out for the beach, hauled out and ran for the finish....3rd place! Not exactly a huge field or major event, but I'm pretty pleased and it looks like I was right to hammer it as it looks like there were three guys near me.

https://resultsbase.net/event/3427/results?round=6844
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been having a look at my swim pace times in the pool, in the lake and in races.

My recent lake times vary in the 400m to 750m from 01:32/100m to 02:04 - so unsurprisingly I don't think info this is useful for training.

I not managed to get in a single 200m tt at the pool this weekend, so not much for comparison, but that was 01:39/100m.

Then we have my race times (triathlon), at 750, 1900 and 3800 my paces were; 01:51, 01:47 and 01:57 respectively - because these are closer together and in race conditions I think they are more accurate, or at least more predictive of race day performance.

Consequently I think I'm holding back too much on race day, so I'll go flat out at the Olympic on Sunday, screw drafting, and see what I get Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got 29:54 for the Olympic distance, around 1:43/100m. Seems about right, about four minutes faster than last year at the same event.

Tried 10x100s on Friday, also got 1:40-1:45/100m with 20-15s rest.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tin Pot wrote:
Got 29:54 for the Olympic distance, around 1:43/100m. Seems about right, about four minutes faster than last year at the same event.

Tried 10x100s on Friday, also got 1:40-1:45/100m with 20-15s rest.


29:54 for 1500m is 2min/100

1:43's is 25:45
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PCP wrote:
Tin Pot wrote:
Got 29:54 for the Olympic distance, around 1:43/100m. Seems about right, about four minutes faster than last year at the same event.

Tried 10x100s on Friday, also got 1:40-1:45/100m with 20-15s rest.


29:54 for 1500m is 2min/100

1:43's is 25:45


Shame - my watch reported 1:43/min.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard day swimming today.

Morning with the kids, got in about 20mins on my own, plus an hour heaving kids about on my shoulders, pulling them
On my ankles..fun but perhaps not accepted best training practice Smile

This evening, main set was 12x25 45s to sprint and recover, then 600m as 50 freestyle, 25 single arm, 25 single arm.

My arms are wrecked!

Put some effort in learning to tumble turn so a significant volume of chlorine in my sinuses right now.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last week I was doing my warm up which includes some 0 arm, left, right, swim and as I was swimming LCM I forgot to change to swimming so ended up doing almost 50m just with the left arm and realised I found this a bit challenging. Normally the 25m is fine. I listened to Rooster talking to Lucy Gossage about her swimming 1 armed because of her injury on Monday. I did some longer 1 armed swimming this week and think it is helping me to extend out front to breath more easily and to engage the lats to create a stronger pull and maybe catch.

Any thoughts, experience on 1 armed swimming?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure it's really worthwhile. I broke my collar bone a few years ago and had a plate put in for 6 months. Whilst the plate was in I couldn't rotate my right arm so all my swimming was one armed. I did a 1:30 IM swim and 44 min HIM swim in races during this time but can't say it made any real difference to me when I got my arm back. I returned to swimming approx 1hr IM and 30min HIM. I can't say for sure though since it was my first IM.

I think there's probably better ways of spending your pool time unless you have specific issues that you (or a coach) have identified which will be addressed with specific one arm drills. Pool time for most is limited so you want to make maximum gains in your time.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally had another crack at the 100s on a hundred.

Cruised quite nicely through to 30 of them, although I never actually broke 1:30 for any of them.1:31 -1:34. Think I need somebody on my toes to encourage me to go a touch faster.

Need to find a longer session in the pool to get this up to 50/60
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:59 pm    Post subject: Welcome Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had myself filmed swimming and one of the major things that came up is that my catch is a bit late in my arm movement. I was suggested drills and will try and improve this but I wondered if anyone had used the Finis Agility paddles. This seems to be its selling point so do any of you think that they're worth buying?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pedro Peru wrote:
I had myself filmed swimming and one of the major things that came up is that my catch is a bit late in my arm movement. I was suggested drills and will try and improve this but I wondered if anyone had used the Finis Agility paddles. This seems to be its selling point so do any of you think that they're worth buying?


I've never used them but I found that sculling and single arm drills help a lot. Especially 10m scull into 15m swim, or 25 scull into 25 swim when you improve and are moving faster. Can be used with PB or fins if struggling with body position
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like sculling but I don't have time to write all the reasons. I'd do single arm, unco style with arm by side and work on keeping your elbow high and engaging the early vertical forearm. Do this with fins. Also just swim with fins thinking about hand entry extend get the arm vertical grip and rip.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hammerer wrote:
I don't like sculling but I don't have time to write all the reasons. I'd do single arm, unco style with arm by side and work on keeping your elbow high and engaging the early vertical forearm. Do this with fins. Also just swim with fins thinking about hand entry extend get the arm vertical grip and rip.

Cheers h and PCP. I generally only do 1 arm unco (0-full swim) and band only as drills anyway. I will just do bit more and see if I can sneek my fins on.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First session back

Wu 400m @ sloppy pace
Drills catch up 200m
Main 7*100 @ moderate pace
Drills catch up 250m
WD 500m

2:20/100m is sooooooooooo slow. (Determined via TrainingPeaks)

Enjoyed the sauna and jacuzzi afterwards though.
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