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TriSam




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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our club swim on Tuesday was endless 100 repeats. I went out hard and wanted to see how long I could hold the same pace before blowing up. I find my with my swimming, my mental blocks are often the limiter so I wanted to really push myself.

Managed 14.5 x 100 at 1:10 pace before I died and had to drop it down to 1:15s.

45 seconds seconds rest between reps, so it's quite a lot of recovery, but feel happy I managed to hit so many before the inevitable happened
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice work!

I love 100m sets - anymore and I lose count any less and I don't feel I get any benefit. My favourite is 100s off 1:20 trying to hold 1:15s - only tend to get about 10 in before people bow out.

Only doing one session a week at the moment and it's focused around sprinting which is not ideal for Ironman - hoping to get another session in there without impacting on my cycling.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stopped at an olympique piscine in Dijon yesterday and did some 200s - wow, a 50m pool is soooo much better than 25. Must try to get over to Crystal Palace when I'm home.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tin Pot wrote:
Stopped at an olympique piscine in Dijon yesterday and did some 200s - wow, a 50m pool is soooo much better than 25. Must try to get over to Crystal Palace when I'm home.

Stratford is really good too. Swimming in the Olympic pool for the same price as my local south London leisure centre is pretty cool.
I'd also recommend Tooting (100yds) and Brockwell (50m) lidos if you want to get the OW feel in wetsuit, with the structure of lane swimming.
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crystal Palace has a certain meaning for me as my dad taught me to swim here, I had a few diving classes there with school and later I failed the test to become a life guard(!) - I need an excuse to go back Smile

I wasn't happy with my 36mins for the 1900 yesterday and Watch said I'd done 2285 so stopped at the same pool today on my way home. My head is still a little spaced and I am sleepy but some of the times aren't making sense to me.

3900m as

350m FC WU ...14 minutes ?! With no breaks.

3200m 1hr9m
Checkpoint at 1600m was 35 mins and 34 mins for the next 1600m that's ~2:07 pace. So I'm holding a solid pace, which is something. Sure I'm tired but I felt strong and moving well through the water.

350m WD 5.5mins with 10s rest
50m Breast 100m PB (easy) 100m Breast 100m PB (easy)

I'm thinking a flaw has crept into my stroke so I'll try to get someone to video me, or find a swim coach at Palace
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad in my case....

However broke my fastest ever 1900m straight FC in just over 36 mins this morning

Came back with my trusty pull buoy and took three mins off that just to make sure it wasnt a fluke.
I'm a poor swimmer compared to my bike and run but at 48 to PB in anything is pleasing.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ran out of time today, so decided to do a 1900m TT with a pull buoy instead of an easy 3000m. Surprised that it wasn't faster than my OW races pretty much the same.

1900m
Pull buoy, 25m pool - 35:54
Exmoor 70.3 - 35:36
Pays D'Aix - 36:19

A few minutes off last year, but nothing to worry about - I still feel fine after a long swim.

Then I saw my times on swim.com had registered a bunch of personal records over the last couple of months:

50m 00:29.7
100m 01:25.1
200m 02:46.2
400m 07:21.9
800m 14:55.7
1500m 27:40.5
1900m 35:54

I'm pretty sure if I put those on a graph they won't make sense. 50m in 29 seconds? I don't think so. I think by best 25m is 18-19 seconds.

Also my stroke rate is recorded as 21 per minute, which seems slower than I'd imagined.

Still, I'm fairly confident I won't have a disaster at Bolton, maybe a few minutes slower than last years 1hr13 Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd take a guess that the 100 and 200 times aren't correct too. You can't have a 2:46 200 time and 'only' a 1:25 100. Plus if you can do a 1:25 100 your 400 time would be under 7 minutes.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PCP wrote:
I'd take a guess that the 100 and 200 times aren't correct too. You can't have a 2:46 200 time and 'only' a 1:25 100. Plus if you can do a 1:25 100 your 400 time would be under 7 minutes.


Yeah, think you're right. Maybe I'll take some time over summer to look at these.

I've downloaded a haptic metronome for my Apple Watch, going to try the swimsmooth ramp test before club swim tonight. 60 Bpm rising every 3 beats to 80bpm. About 7x50m so nothing onerous.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did the Derwent 1 mile swim today, first time in my wetsuit since Barcelona and longest I've swam since then as well, in fact I've probably done less than 40 miles in total since and about 10 since February.

was never going to go well and worse than I'd thought, 34:20, although that included about 1 minute of comedy trying to get out of the lake with all the stones at the bottom near the exit.

Bit of work to do, only ran about 7k in the last 7 weeks so that is going to be fun as well if my injuries ever heal.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PB for a 10K swim yesterday. It was advertised as 12K but my Garmin and others measured it as 10.4 to 10.6. Manged to complete it in 1:31:24. Was just over 6 minutes behind the first swimmer.

It was easier than cycling downhill. Wye Wild Swim down the River Wye almost to Symonds Yat. Lets just say the current was brisk.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After barely swimming at all this year and slipping from a previous 1:05 at Bolton to 1:10:50 at Bolton this year I've joined the gym again so I can swim regularly.

2 weeks ago I was tiring after 1500m and my stroke was going to bits. Tonight I managed 2850 including 300m of drills and felt like I could carry on for a while. Was averaging 1:42's and always swimming easy apart from a quicker 100 at 1:32

It is amazing how much better the feel is after some single arm drills, sculling & doggy paddle Laughing
I'm looking forward to a strong winter of swimming and hopefully getting down closer to 60 mins next year.
My 400 PB is 6:01 too so that needs to be broken.
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stenard




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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I decided to work on my swimming this winter, as one of my key focus areas. The original aim was to improve efficiency at the very least, if not actual raw speed, in light of the fact I am going long for the first time next year. If I can't actually go faster, I at least wanted to conserve more energy for that speed.

For reference, my starting base was as follows:
Last formal CSS test in May of this year (20m pool): 400m = 5:46; 200 = 2:49
Best 1500m in a pool (20m) also in May: 23:53
In key races, did 25:32 at Rotterdam Oly in Sept, and 28:56 & 29:52 at the Cotswold 113 and Classic respectively in June and August (I actually felt I swam better in Aug, despite the slower time, so question the location of the buoys, but who knows - I do think both were a bit short).

The first step to my plan was having a 1:1 swim lesson a few weeks ago with our regular club training session swim coach. So he knew me fairly well from seeing me swim regularly, but this was the first time working 1:1.

I was actually quite surprised at what a few small tweaks resulted in, even during that session. I do swim quite flat in the water (relative to good swimmers), so getting good rotation from suitable extension was identified as important. And the second aspect was accelerating through the power phase of the stroke, rather than wasting energy early in the catch, and then decelerating.

The session worked on some key drills I should incorporate into my own swimming, and finished with a 100m build, thinking about the key points and trying to get faster each length, so not entirely flat out. That 100m effort came in at 1:23 which actually matched my previous 100 PB, so promising signs.

Since then, I've been given some different drills sessions to work through, each one about 1500m in total swim distance. I've been incorporating one a week alongside my normal club sessions. One of the sessions includes a 100TT at the end, to benchmark.

Week 1 in that session I did a 1:17 to finish. Today I did a 1:15 (both in 20m pools). They are flat out, and not a sustainable effort, but it does indicate I am getting more effective in the water. Definitely going to persist with this all winter. If I can possibly get down to a 1:0x 100m by the end of, say, Jan that would be immense. I'm already finding "cool down" intervals are occurring at paces that would normally have approached threshold pace.

All in all, a promising start to the winter plan. Here's hoping I can continue to make progress, and maintain the focus on swimming more this winter.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stenard, that Rotterdam time seems an outlier?

Having consistently swam 25:xx for Oly Tri for the last few years off nothing better than 6:30 pool 400 I figure I have a couple of minutes to knock off that time if I can get my 400 down near 6:00. Lots of things to address to get there as apparently I swim like a fish - just not in a good way.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buzz_ wrote:
stenard, that Rotterdam time seems an outlier?

I suppose. I do find my pool times just don't translate to OW. And whilst my Garmin only had 1.45km, looking at the other strava files, some do range up to 1.65km, so maybe it was a bit long.

I also think my pacing wasn't the best, simply because of the quality of the swim field. In a wave of about 60-65, I was easily in the last 5 or 6 after the first 400m, and I think I quite likely pushed too hard to try and hold feet early on and then paid for it in the second half.

Arundel Oly earlier in the summer (the qualifier) is completely unrealistic as it was downstream for the second half of the swim, and it literally felt like I was flying (23:20 for 1.55km recorded distance). That was my only other standard distance race of the year.
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