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Morg




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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:00 pm    Post subject: Shingles Reply with quote

Wasn't sure whether to put this in the "General" part but: -


Anyone have experience with it?



Annoyingly, Iíve just been diagnosed with it.



It started last Sunday after what was a terrific bike ride with some mates, I thought later in the day, that I had been bitten by some insect, as I had what looked like insect bites come up on my back.



They remained quite itchy as the week went on, just like, in fact, insect bites.



I must admit, that I wasnít feeling 100%, but I had just had a mancold, so I put it down to that. I even carried on with the swimming cycling and running activities.

However, I noticed as the week went on, that my back and chest were becoming more and more tender to touch, so much so that this morning I popped into the GPís as I was thinking that my bites may have become infected.



She took a look at my back, pointed out some extra spots and told me it was shingles.



I told her that I have a half Ironman in two weeks and had been training for it, she said that it was OK, I could carry on, (I love her, a good attitude towards training I feel), its just that the pain may become a limiting factor in training.

She asked me not to swim for a week though.



Just wondering what experience around exercising anyone may have had with Shingles.



Quite uncomfortable though, especially at night when the quilt is on me.

Cheers

Morg
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had it when I was 17 before I was a triathlete but literally just before my A level mocks so not ideal timing either. From what I remember it wasnt massively painful and I just took paracetamol 2 four times a day for 3-4 days. I was lucky that I didnt end up with any post-herpetic neuralgia ( a nerve pain common after the acute phase has passed which commonly needs drugs such as amitriptyline, gabapentin or pregabalin to treat). It appears to be more common with advancing age so the elderly are most susceptible.

See how you feel but it is an acute viral illness so trying to train on through will put your immune system under more stress...Whether this increases the risk of post-herpetic neuralgia I dont know.

I take it you are on anti-virals now?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks NT, yes I am on antivirals, 4 hourly.

I do have a concern around PHN, but I think I just have to take my chances.

The paracetamols are helping as well.

I have the Ocean Lava two weeks today, but think that to be on the safe side I will be training indoors on the run up to it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went down with it last year, in the middle of IM training. Got to the docs too late for antivirals to make any difference so I just had to put up with it. The worst bit of it was about a week long, although I still had signs of it after 3 or 4 weeks and a year on the scars are slowly disappearing.

You can train OK, but getting too hot and sweaty can make it v. uncomfortable. Swimming in public pools is a no-no because of the risk of infecting others (and you're supposed to avoid contact with pregnant women too, I think), but if your club does open water swimming that's fine (wear a trisuit under your wetsuit to stop the neoprene chafing the shingles).
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

newarktricky wrote:
I was lucky that I didnt end up with any post-herpetic neuralgia ( a nerve pain common after the acute phase has passed which commonly needs drugs such as amitriptyline, gabapentin or pregabalin to treat).


Yeah right! Not in my local PCT you won't! In this area, the GPs are receiving monetary incentives to swap people off it to a cheaper alternative! Doesn't stop me prescribing it though and then incurring the wrath of a ranting GP who phones to complain! Wink

You cannot catch shingles from someone with shingles but you can contract chickenpox from someone with shingles if you have not had it before!

You should avoid pregnant ladies who have not had chickenpox.

Hope it settles soon.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mrs Mash wrote:
newarktricky wrote:
I was lucky that I didnt end up with any post-herpetic neuralgia ( a nerve pain common after the acute phase has passed which commonly needs drugs such as amitriptyline, gabapentin or pregabalin to treat).


Yeah right! Not in my local PCT you won't! In this area, the GPs are receiving monetary incentives to swap people off it to a cheaper alternative! Doesn't stop me prescribing it though and then incurring the wrath of a ranting GP who phones to complain! Wink

You cannot catch shingles from someone with shingles but you can contract chickenpox from someone with shingles if you have not had it before!

You should avoid pregnant ladies who have not had chickenpox.

Hope it settles soon.
Mich


Sorry for the thread hijack to follow Morg but:

As the NICE guidance on neuropathic pain is a clinical guideline and not a technology appraisal it is not mandatory to follow as long as any given health community have their own evidence based guidelines to follow instead. NICE basically went with duloxetine and pregabalin based mainly on newer more methodologically sound/complete randomised, controlled clinical trials which used and reported pain scores whilst totally ignoring older trials looking at the likes of amitriptyline, nortriptyline, carbamazepine and gabapentin which had similar NNT scores. As such the Notts Area Prescribing Committee decided to go with their own guidelines with pregabalin being 3rd line at best and specialist initiation only.

What is even more irritating about pregabalin is that not all clinicians are aware that all strengths are priced the same per capsule so any patient on more than one cap of a lower strength per dose and on a three times a day regimen when it is licensed for twice daily admin too, can cost an even more absurd amount of money e.g. 2x100mg caps three times a day - £193.20 /month whereas 1x300mg cap twice daily - £64.40. That is why we are particularly proactive in following up pregabalin experiments from secondary care to assess efficacy in the patient and make changes if no benefit has been achieved. The only incentive our GPs have is their budgets being tightly monitored such that any expensive drug use is monitored and audited regularly.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So i thought i had some nasty bites. 2 weeks later they are still there.

My side is numb.

I have felt viral, but still did 4hr 110k ride sat. But bailed on a 12k run yestetday after about 30 mins.

So i went to the quack and she said i have shingles but i am too late for anti virals.

My question to any suitably qualified person is will i harm my self/training if i press on this and next week. In particular i am doing an ironman weekend this weekend. Ie swim frida, bike sat, run sunday.

Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know how it feels..... had it 8 weeks ago following a 8 mile X Country race in -4 centigrade. I was told to lay off exercise for a week, I felt a bit rough but I felt I could train..... I took the advice and divided it by 2 and went 3 days without exercising and eased back with a gentle run... all felt okay so went back to normal training the following day..... still took the antivirals, got plenty of sleep.... ate well and recovered fine Smile

So I would say, be brutally honest and if you can train then do so, but be sympathetic and back off slightly and get more sleep than normal if possible, because at the end of the day your immune system is depleted afterall!

Also Chrissie Wellington did one of her Ironman events with shingles Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My five year old boy had this two weeks ago. He's not (currently) training for any major events. They think he might have got it after taking a massive clonk on the head (while I was away cycling - so I can tease my wife about being a bad mother Smile). However, I understand that the most common time to contract it is when you are stressed/run down (you see why I'm hoping my 5 year old got it from the head clonk?)

We gave him the drugs and virtually sat on him to keep him still for seven days just to be safe. He's right as rain now - bouncing off the walls as normal He was after three days of the medecine tbh but there's no harm in a bit of extra rest I say.

On that note, I'd take a full week out. Prioritise getting well. Your athletic finess will hardly suffer at all. If you got it because your system was low, give it a chance to recharge.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
My five year old boy had this two weeks ago. He's not (currently) training for any major events. They think he might have got it after taking a massive clonk on the head (while I was away cycling - so I can tease my wife about being a bad mother ). However, I understand that the most common time to contract it is when you are stressed/run down (you see why I'm hoping my 5 year old got it from the head clonk?)


I'm not an expert which is why I am asking the question, but are you sure it was shingles?

I ask because I thought that children only got chickenpox, and that it was older people who had had chickenpox that got shingles.
My understanding was that if someone with shingles came into contact with someone who had not had shingles or chickenpox, then the previously uninfected person would get chickenpox and not shingles.

(Unless, of course, your son had already had chickenpox)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont know much about the pathology but both of my uncles and my dad have had shingles and i wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy. it was f@cking painful (and m'dad's no pussy with pain)......
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I trained with shingles. The blisters were very uncomfortable and gave me one very disturbed night's sleep. Otherwise, I felt fine. I just avoided anyone who might prefer not to contract chickenpox from me.

My doctor did not advise antivirals, but said I should come back if I felt very ill. He also recommended paracetomol for the pain, but luckily it didn't hurt that much. Finally, he suggested I use E45 emollient cream to wash with instead of soap, as my skin was sore.

I reckon if you feel well enough, train.

Note that shingles is caused by the chickenpox virus which is living happily inside your nervous system (a bit like herpes) and probably you won't get another shingles attack.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah. It was defo shingles Morg. He had the pox when he was a toddler.

I think it was a mild bout though as he didn't give much of a toot about it. Guess we caught it early - he only had one big scab and the rash only spread max 10cm from that.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, kids can get shingles, my son who was 9 at the time had it 18 months ago having had chickenpox as a toddler

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad timing but as was said before it strikes when you are feeling run down. I had it when I was about 15 on a DofE hike - not ideal timing as I has no idea what was going on and the other lads weren't exactly sympathetic. At the time I was more of a swimmer, but took time away from all exercise to get over the worst. I did lose a bit of weight though as I didn't feel like eating much. I'd say with races on the horizon the majority of training is done, so maybe do the odd tapering session. I would spend more time getting your body ready with plenty of sleep and ensuring your diet is unaffected. Also in terms of the races, make sure your clothing is suitable or ensure the areas are covered up well, as they can leave scars.
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