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chris432626




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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:28 pm    Post subject: Changing from night to day training Reply with quote

Hi all,

Due to work hours getting longer I'm finding it increasingly tough training in the evenings.
Can anyone help with their own procedures for taking in some energy and also is it safe to workout at such a high cardio rate within 10 minutes of waking up? (for a 42 year old!)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Changing from night to day training Reply with quote

chris432626 wrote:
Hi all,

Due to work hours getting longer I'm finding it increasingly tough training in the evenings.
Can anyone help with their own procedures for taking in some energy and also is it safe to workout at such a high cardio rate within 10 minutes of waking up? (for a 42 year old!)


What worked best for me was getting up at least 30 minutes beforehand, and having a cup of tea. It takes a little while for the body to wake up, so it's not good practice to fall out of bed and try and workout straight away. As for energy, you should have enough in your system for an hour or so. So shouldn't need to eat anything until afterwards.

It does take a little while to get used to morning workouts - so it'll feel tough to start off, but stick with it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need to take in any calories before training unless you haven't recovered the night before properly, sleeping uses extremely minimal glycogen (small amount of liver glycogen, but muscle glycogen is the bulk and what you use when exercising) so you should have no problem just doing it... If your session is longer than an hour, simply start consuming calories when you start training.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it easier to get up earlier in stages rather than in one big jump. So setting the alarm 10-15min earlier at a time works better for me than trying to suddenly adapter to getting up 2 hours earlier or whatever is needed. I can do it sometimes but not permanently without ending up pretty tired at the end of the week
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah cr@p, I was hoping someone would talk me out of it!
But seriously, thanks for your help.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Training in the morning sucks! Don't do it! As a man of similar age I find it extremely difficult to get my body to work hard first thing in the morning. I need at least an hour up before attempting exercise and even then it takes me forever to get going. Your body feels stiff - especially if you've had a hard session the day before and your muscles are cold and tight. I would try either - training at lunch or training when you get home even if it is late. Or - can you run or bike to/from work?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick240469 wrote:
Training in the morning sucks! Don't do it! As a man of similar age I find it extremely difficult to get my body to work hard first thing in the morning. I need at least an hour up before attempting exercise and even then it takes me forever to get going. Your body feels stiff - especially if you've had a hard session the day before and your muscles are cold and tight. I would try either - training at lunch or training when you get home even if it is late. Or - can you run or bike to/from work?


Good job triathlons start in the afternoon then so no need to get used to early morning training Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to be an afternoon trainer, but since switching to running in the mornings I've noticed two things:

1. I've lost more weight. I think this is maybe because my metabolism remains elevated for the whole day after a morning run.
2. I have more time. When I used to train in the evenings it was easy to waste the mornings lying in bed. Now I get up at 7 (ok, not that early), spend 30 mins waking up, having a coffee, then run for an hour. Make it into the office for 9.30 (which, for a phd student is pretty early Wink ). Now I have a free hour each evening compared to when I ran at night.

It takes a couple of weeks to get used to it, but once you do I'll bet you'll much prefer it to evening running.

Edit: I should add a third thing I noticed, and that is that I sleep much better. When I used to run late at night (often at 9 or 10pm) I then couldn't drop off to sleep until 1 or 2am. Now I hit the sack at around 11 and sleep like a log until 7 - a solid 8 hours sleep.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick240469 wrote:
Training in the morning sucks! Don't do it! As a man of similar age I find it extremely difficult to get my body to work hard first thing in the morning. I need at least an hour up before attempting exercise and even then it takes me forever to get going. Your body feels stiff - especially if you've had a hard session the day before and your muscles are cold and tight. I would try either - training at lunch or training when you get home even if it is late. Or - can you run or bike to/from work?


40+ YO and still feeling stiff in the morning. Blimey.

But seriously, early morning training is an acquired taste, and I couldn't motivate myself to do it until I had a sufficient motivation (had to get up anyway to feed the baby, so figured I may as well run whilst I was up).
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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40+ YO and still feeling stiff in the morning. Blimey.



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Due to family and work comitments I've been training in the morning for the last 5 years.

I am by no means a moning person, but have found training in the morning to be very beneficial. I get up at 6 to be at the gym by half past, I can get a good 90 minutes done to be at my desk by 9.

I can't help but believe that as most races start at silly o'clock in the morning, that by getting your body used to early morning activity is going to benefit
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris432626 wrote:
Ah cr@p, I was hoping someone would talk me out of it!
But seriously, thanks for your help.


Perhaps viewing the motivational thread might help

http://www.tritalk.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=84676&highlight=

It's normal to feel less motivated at the end of winter Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

due to work commitment i either train early in the morning or late at night e.g this morning i was out on mtb at c7am for couple of hours.

In terms of nutrition my body just gets used to surviving on whatever ive had the day before and, regarding longer sessions, as long as you are carrying something to eat or drink during the session, you should be fine. Anything <90 minutes and i wouldnt bother. it makes breakfast taste much better.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You also get to feel very smug and self-righteous when you go into work, knowing that you've been up early and worked out - whilst your colleagues stagger into work in various states of disrepair. The smugness doubles if you workout in the morning and then cycle into work Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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40+ YO and still feeling stiff in the morning. Blimey.


The older I get the stiffer I am in the mornings! But enough about my viagra addiction Wink . Sure if you can make early morning training work then it will certainly help with early morning events. You have to look at the quality of training you can put in at silly o clock though. If intensity and/or distance decreases then you will not improve as fast as if you train at higher intensity, or longer,later in the day. If you're like me - waking up at 6am and expecting your body to be running at threshold 10 mins later is a big ask (not to mention making you more injury prone) bottom line - just give it a go and see how you get on but I would suggest a slow build up - low HR to start with, to warm up, and then increase the intensity as you get used to the early mornings. It's a big change so don't push it too hard too soon.
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