Tri Talk HomepageTri Talk EventsTri Talk ForumsBlogsTri Talk TrainingTri TradeTriPlayerWikiTeam Tri Talk
Are you still a Lance fan?
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 12, 13, 14, 15  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    TriTalk.co.uk Forum Index -> Off-Topic
View previous topic :: View next topic  

Are you still a Lance fan?
Yes
33%
 33%  [ 46 ]
No
66%
 66%  [ 93 ]
Total Votes : 139

Author Message
pip




Joined: 22 Sep 2004
Posts: 5125
Location: Tooting (hopefully not for much longer)

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say that I am not a Lance fan anymore, I think he sounds like a complete arsehole but I do respect the guy for what he achieved even though he is wiped from the record books.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
lewiswaterworth




Joined: 07 Feb 2011
Posts: 36

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw this on facebook earlier


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sxuXt_R6Mw&feature=youtu.be

It reminded me of a few on here!
I'm surprised that nobody is calling for him to be stripped of his 2003 BBC overseas sports personality of the year award.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
KingstonGraham




Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Posts: 7555

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lewiswaterworth wrote:

I'm surprised that nobody is calling for him to be stripped of his 2003 BBC overseas sports personality of the year award.


Already posted about that.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-08-24/bbc-will-not-take-away-armstrongs-sports-personality-title/

scandalous
_________________
I don't need an attitude
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
K.




Joined: 01 Nov 2005
Posts: 10019
Location: Team TriActive

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KingstonGraham wrote:
lewiswaterworth wrote:

I'm surprised that nobody is calling for him to be stripped of his 2003 BBC overseas sports personality of the year award.


Already posted about that.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-08-24/bbc-will-not-take-away-armstrongs-sports-personality-title/

scandalous


Maybe that just shows how much of a mickey mouse award it is, even in the eyes of the BBC themselves...
_________________
Open 5 Series : 2103-2014 : 3rd Male Pairs
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
lewiswaterworth




Joined: 07 Feb 2011
Posts: 36

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a real can of worms.

I wonder how much of an edge the drugs gave him in terms of personality?
do the other leading personalities of the time feel cheated?
If striped of the award could it be reawarded?
Who came second?
Where they doped also?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
user134098




Joined: 29 Nov 2004
Posts: 10737

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's a popularity contest, sporting integrity has little to do with it
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
explorerJC




Joined: 20 Oct 2005
Posts: 16010
Location: Farthingstone

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ianmcl wrote:
it's a popularity contest, sporting integrity has little to do with it


it's modern sport, integrity has little to do with it
_________________
www.appliedtri.co.uk Tri and Du coaching

www.naturalrunningform.co.uk Natural Running Form Coach

2018 Training Camps http://www.appliedtri.co.uk/training-camps/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
jeffm




Joined: 01 Jan 2010
Posts: 1454

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noticed on Strava that he's now riding a Crumpton. All the treks have disappeared!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
adep




Joined: 01 Jan 2009
Posts: 134
Location: cheshire

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you put me down as a maybe please Confused

He wasn't the only one doping but he was the best of his time.Tricky one this.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
user134098




Joined: 29 Nov 2004
Posts: 10737

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the best what?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
flyingelephant




Joined: 22 Mar 2004
Posts: 5370
Location: Deepest Darkest Devon / Kn0b freezing Norway

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not tricky. It's easy.

Slow day at work, and I've had a coffee, so....

Lance did more for cycling in the late 90's and 00's than anyone. Put more lardy unhealthy butts on bike seats than anyone. Has a cracking good charity. Let us not forget that. How many lives has his 'ways' saved and extended? What value can you put on a single life, let alone the multitude his charity and cycling exploits have benifitted for the better.

90's and early 00's was full of drugs, there was no question about that. I think if anyone believed he, or most other riders were clean, they lived in cookoo land. I always suspected that he took drugs, but was very clever in keeping his bloods clean or within limits. So it makes no difference to me that he has been uncoverd.

By removing the wins from him, you have to remove nearly all the pelliton from the 90's and 00's. Leave it as it was or grey out the drug fueled years, and have a footnote about PED's.

Sure, fine and criminalise them so that the trend is stopped. Clean up the sport and try to ensure it's all played out safely and fairly. I'm 100% for that. (I collect some old racing bikes, but stop at the 90's as I feel it's all about the drugs in those years, so the bike technology looses it's appeal.)
We don't hear of many cyclists not waking up in the morning anymore, which is a good sign, yes.

You don't have to like the guy. But you have to appreciate what his cancer charity has done, and the amount of butts on bikes he has encouraged. He doped by choice, in a team that had a dope culture helped along by himself, and rode against others that doped. But unlike the other riders, how many have put so much effort, time and money into something good that has touched so many lives?

Let the person who has never sinned, cast the first stone.

And by all that. I am not defending him. I am disheartened by the whole situation from the need for cyclists to take drugs way back, to the drugs culture, PEDs and the whole way the situation has been handles and has manifested itself.

Who is responsible? It has to be the cycling governing bodies, both local, national and international for letting the drugs culture take a hold of the sport and sticking their head in the sand until something like this happens.
_________________
When your legs turn to jelly, attack!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
K.




Joined: 01 Nov 2005
Posts: 10019
Location: Team TriActive

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flyingelephant wrote:
It's not tricky. It's easy.

Slow day at work, and I've had a coffee, so....

Lance did more for cycling in the late 90's and 00's than anyone. Put more lardy unhealthy butts on bike seats than anyone. Has a cracking good charity. Let us not forget that. How many lives has his 'ways' saved and extended? What value can you put on a single life, let alone the multitude his charity and cycling exploits have benifitted for the better.

90's and early 00's was full of drugs, there was no question about that. I think if anyone believed he, or most other riders were clean, they lived in cookoo land. I always suspected that he took drugs, but was very clever in keeping his bloods clean or within limits. So it makes no difference to me that he has been uncoverd.

By removing the wins from him, you have to remove nearly all the pelliton from the 90's and 00's. Leave it as it was or grey out the drug fueled years, and have a footnote about PED's.

Sure, fine and criminalise them so that the trend is stopped. Clean up the sport and try to ensure it's all played out safely and fairly. I'm 100% for that. (I collect some old racing bikes, but stop at the 90's as I feel it's all about the drugs in those years, so the bike technology looses it's appeal.)
We don't hear of many cyclists not waking up in the morning anymore, which is a good sign, yes.

You don't have to like the guy. But you have to appreciate what his cancer charity has done, and the amount of butts on bikes he has encouraged. He doped by choice, in a team that had a dope culture helped along by himself, and rode against others that doped. But unlike the other riders, how many have put so much effort, time and money into something good that has touched so many lives?

Let the person who has never sinned, cast the first stone.

And by all that. I am not defending him. I am disheartened by the whole situation from the need for cyclists to take drugs way back, to the drugs culture, PEDs and the whole way the situation has been handles and has manifested itself.

Who is responsible? It has to be the cycling governing bodies, both local, national and international for letting the drugs culture take a hold of the sport and sticking their head in the sand until something like this happens.


*throws stone*

(well you never know... Wink )

Good post although there will be plenty that disagree of course...
_________________
Open 5 Series : 2103-2014 : 3rd Male Pairs
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
user134098




Joined: 29 Nov 2004
Posts: 10737

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What has his cancer charity done? Facts please.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
K.




Joined: 01 Nov 2005
Posts: 10019
Location: Team TriActive

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ianmcl wrote:
What has his cancer charity done? Facts please.


Good question... this is an extract from a Bicycling.com article...

Quote:
According to its own figures and reports by watchdogs such as Charity Navigator, Livestrong has raised more than $390 million in its 14-year lifetime, including $48 million collected from 215,000 donors around the world last year. More than 81 percent of the total income has been invested directly in cancer programs, initiatives and advocacy efforts, which earns the foundation a three-star rating (out of four) by Charity Navigator


I have no idea who Charity Navigator are by the way. Wink
_________________
Open 5 Series : 2103-2014 : 3rd Male Pairs
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
explorerJC




Joined: 20 Oct 2005
Posts: 16010
Location: Farthingstone

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K. wrote:
ianmcl wrote:
What has his cancer charity done? Facts please.


Good question... this is an extract from a Bicycling.com article...

Quote:
According to its own figures and reports by watchdogs such as Charity Navigator, Livestrong has raised more than $390 million in its 14-year lifetime, including $48 million collected from 215,000 donors around the world last year. More than 81 percent of the total income has been invested directly in cancer programs, initiatives and advocacy efforts, which earns the foundation a three-star rating (out of four) by Charity Navigator


I have no idea who Charity Navigator are by the way. Wink

Charity navigator are a charity....... Smile
_________________
www.appliedtri.co.uk Tri and Du coaching

www.naturalrunningform.co.uk Natural Running Form Coach

2018 Training Camps http://www.appliedtri.co.uk/training-camps/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    TriTalk.co.uk Forum Index -> Off-Topic All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 12, 13, 14, 15  Next
Page 13 of 15
  Share
 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum





Home | About TT | Privacy Policy | Terms and Conditions | Advertising | Contact TT
Copyright ©2003-2015 TriTalk®.co.uk. All rights reserved.