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awildt




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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What it comes down to is the new mantra - you can't out run a bad diet.

There are a lot more evidence based studies that have emerged since your original diagnosis to show that the diet sheet the doctor gave you on the first day is utter rubbish.

One post had the right info of a nutrient dense, natural food diet. Avoiding processed cr@p and keeping your carbs to your training requirements.

Endless amount of books out there. Get reading.

My mum told the doctors to get lost when at 70, post chemo, she was "diagnosed" with high cholesterol and put on statins. What rubbish. So many external factors not considered. Back to daily swimming, a healthy fat and low carb "diet" and keeping active and the cholestorol is back in the normal range.

Let's get back to common sense I say (as I go off and cower in the corner under ridiculous stress, far too many nights in hotels for work, and not having time to get back to a proper exercise routine Rolling Eyes )
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeffB wrote:
Out of interest what do you class as HBP, when I've looked the ranges are somewhat fluid.

I've had one or two tests at work and they've said to watch it, but when I've checked in different surroundings it has been alright.

Put someone in front of me in a white coat and it goes through the roof Sad

Jeff


The physiologist was looking for 140/90 as an upper limit, I was at 147/97.

She also wasn't concerned with weight/waist size as I'm "off season", recommended body composition analysis over BMI.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You take garlic tablets..................
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sooooooo, just read at the weekend that the American Heart Foundation and a respected university now believe that anything over 130/80 should be classed as Hypertension.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roscoemck wrote:
Sooooooo, just read at the weekend that the American Heart Foundation and a respected university now believe that anything over 130/80 should be classed as Hypertension.


Whatís hypertension?

It sounds like the kind of thing Iíd have. Iím totally wired right now.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeffB

Having recently had my annual hypertension check, some things that might help you and some here.

DONT ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE WHAT ELECTRONIC BP MONITORS TELL YOU

When I was first diagnosed with hypertension my doctors reading (done the old way) was 190/110. Understandably she was concerned. And a bit surprised that given my 150kg weight that I am not diabetic and my cholesterol is just over 3.

So off I pop on a half dose of one bp medication.

A year or so passes and I know (from my own electronic reader) that my bp is around 133/77 to 130/79.

Go to doctors recently for annual check, and the electronic reader there says something like 147/95. Knowing that was nonsense (I know what high bp feels like) the doctor did it the old way and voila 130/80 iirc.

So....

1. Donít assume electronic bp monitors are accurate. Even doctors ones can be off.
2. Donít stress over it, it will raise your bp.

I have been obese most of my life and am healthier than many skinny people. So donít assume that the standard advice of Ďlose the bellyí is definitely the key factor, though it may well be for most people. That said hopefully once I stop comfort eating and get my near half marathon walks either done faster or turned into near marathon walks I will get off my half dose single bp tablet.

So what did I do to get my bp down from 190/110.

1. Let time pass after (mostly) giving up drinking (not a tee totaller as I want to control alcohol occasional consumption not be controlled by it). (No idea how paws from giving up alcohol affects bp).

2. Took a half dose of one bp med.

3. Used the old school mind over matter and told myself that my bp is getting back to normal (obviously I have no idea how effective that has been in my bp falling).

The important thing JeffB, donít stress over it, and ensure your doctor uses the old school pump and listen.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:

DONT ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE WHAT ELECTRONIC BP MONITORS TELL YOU


I hope youíre right. Went to the doc this morning. Itís been a heavy drinking week, three nights out of five, donít know if that affects it but 176/85 blows my previous readings out of the water.

Iím back for blood work in a week or two.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:
JeffB

Having recently had my annual hypertension check, some things that might help you and some here.

DONT ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE WHAT ELECTRONIC BP MONITORS TELL YOU

When I was first diagnosed with hypertension my doctors reading (done the old way) was 190/110. Understandably she was concerned. And a bit surprised that given my 150kg weight that I am not diabetic and my cholesterol is just over 3.

So off I pop on a half dose of one bp medication.

A year or so passes and I know (from my own electronic reader) that my bp is around 133/77 to 130/79.

Go to doctors recently for annual check, and the electronic reader there says something like 147/95. Knowing that was nonsense (I know what high bp feels like) the doctor did it the old way and voila 130/80 iirc.

So....

1. Donít assume electronic bp monitors are accurate. Even doctors ones can be off.
2. Donít stress over it, it will raise your bp.

I have been obese most of my life and am healthier than many skinny people. So donít assume that the standard advice of Ďlose the bellyí is definitely the key factor, though it may well be for most people. That said hopefully once I stop comfort eating and get my near half marathon walks either done faster or turned into near marathon walks I will get off my half dose single bp tablet.

So what did I do to get my bp down from 190/110.

1. Let time pass after (mostly) giving up drinking (not a tee totaller as I want to control alcohol occasional consumption not be controlled by it). (No idea how paws from giving up alcohol affects bp).

2. Took a half dose of one bp med.

3. Used the old school mind over matter and told myself that my bp is getting back to normal (obviously I have no idea how effective that has been in my bp falling).

The important thing JeffB, donít stress over it, and ensure your doctor uses the old school pump and listen.


Thanks for that, yes, I take them more as a general guideline and mine is nowhere compared to some of the ones posted here, it's generally the systolic that is higher and quite erratic.

Also read that it is higher in winter anyway as the blood is thicker due to the cold.

Jeff
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tin Pot wrote:
Tin Pot wrote:


Yeah, three months is the next blood test. If it hasn't come down, he'll prescribe medication - I'd rather avoid that.


Blimey three years went quickly...finally had another blood test his morning.

Good news but not dramatically so. I still have marginally high cholesterol, and marginally high "bad" cholesterol but the physiologist doesn't think a GP would recommend statins on the numbers I have.

Marginally high blood pressure too, so I'll try to see my doc before Christmas.

I guess I was hoping that long distance training would blow away all the bad stuff Wink


Got the results for the test before Christmas and itís not good news. My cholesterol is markedly higher than even November Ď17. In Ď14 it was 5.1, last Nov 5.26 then Dec 14th itís 6.5. This is not good news.

Of course, the GP was completely unhelpful in describing how bad this bad news is.

My blood pressure is still high, in Ď14 it was normal, then November 142, Dec 176 then today 155.

So Iím on two different heart pills, statins and blood pressure reducing stuff. Apparently the pressure pills are very low dose and may have no effect, the statins are also low dose but I should expect to take them forever. Simvastin 20mg and Ramipril 2.5mg. Neither GP nor pharmacist advised any changes other than no grapefruit juice and donít drink to excess.

I tried to get advice on training but it wasnít useful, just that I should limit training if it prevents weight loss. But no advice on weight loss or on the changes Iíve already made.

I shouldnít be surprised, when I walked in she asked me why I was there...

Some good news, thyroid function is good, glucose and prostate specific antigen good too.

But mostly itís pretty depressing. Back in again in two weeks, and another blood test in two months.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure anyoneís interested but for some reason Iím not talking to anyone about this problem, so this is my outlet. My wife knows but thatís about it, and she has other things to deal with.

So as SS said, I had the electronic monitor at the doctor say 162/90 then ten minutes later, the doctor checked himself and itís 127/80. Heís advised getting a home device and monitor at a variety of times - he wants to see the ďstressedĒ times have lower BP values. Iím feeling a bit more upbeat about things now.

Iíve been on statins and blood pressure tablets for two weeks now, low doses but it doesnít seem to have affected training. In fact Iím feeling stronger on the bike and swim, so I expect my next performance tests to be positive.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have any white coat syndrome? Anxiety really screws up many of my readings in health related stuff, home monitoring a lot more useful.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jibberjim wrote:
Do you have any white coat syndrome? Anxiety really screws up many of my readings in health related stuff, home monitoring a lot more useful.


Itís possible hence the Home testing. But two tests by a woman, three tests by a machine showed high. Itís only my GP - the actual white coat - that reads normal.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tin Pot wrote:
Itís possible hence the Home testing. But two tests by a woman, three tests by a machine showed high. Itís only my GP - the actual white coat - that reads normal.


Anxiety around women and robots?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jibberjim wrote:
Tin Pot wrote:
Itís possible hence the Home testing. But two tests by a woman, three tests by a machine showed high. Itís only my GP - the actual white coat - that reads normal.


Anxiety around women and robots?


Arousal...maybe, thatís been my problem?

Bought a £25 blood pressure thing yesterday. Tried it this morning (no boner or anxiety I think). 127/80. Starting to wonder if this has been a bit of a wind up.

Cholesterol test in a few weeks.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Tin Pot,

Keep your chin up buddy.

I always get silly readings at the doctor and normal at home. I try and take my BP once a week and make a note of it. I always show this to the nurse and they seem happy enough.
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