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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you have to plan for the energy drinks being a fairly weak concentration in races i.e. take on the bananas, and take nutrition with you, bars or gels etc.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, with only 660m of climbing, this has to be one of the flattest Iron bike legs going? What are the road surfaces like? Sure I read somewhere that the final few Kms are pretty bad?

Won't get to ride the course before the race, which is a shame, but should be able to drive it on Fri or Sat before. Is it signed at that point?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Road surfaces are generally good. The organiser marks all potholes and rough surfaces around the whole course with purple chalk paint so they are visible.
Yeah, the last few K's are down a rough back road with some speed bumps, but take it easy down there and it's fine.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still very flat, but think 937m climbing.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/3036299

Not done a recce but heard can be quite windy in places.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read the 600-odd metres bit in a review of LD events in 220 magazine (just browsing it in Tesco). Not unusual for them to be inaccurate. I did think that figure seemed very low.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SidSnot wrote:
Road surfaces are generally good. The organiser marks all potholes and rough surfaces around the whole course with purple chalk paint so they are visible.
Yeah, the last few K's are down a rough back road with some speed bumps, but take it easy down there and it's fine.


The last few k's were carnage in the wet in 2015, fortunately I was off the bike before the weather turned really nasty.

There was a cattle grid and some 90 degree turns as well as the crap surface and I counted at least 4 people crash out.

I nearly stacked it just before T2, there is a short but steep ramp down to the Transition area and a speed bump right at the bottom and then a 90 degree turn. I am still not sure how I got away without stacking it.

Traffic wise there is a longish A-road section as you go from Loop 1 onto loop 2 and quite a lot of road furniture in the middle of the road so its possible to get held up as drivers can't get past other racers in front.

Its a nice course though other than that, particularly when you consider that horrifically tedious pancake flat run course to follow. Hills may hurt to run up but at least they give you some respite on the descent.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
I read the 600-odd metres bit in a review of LD events in 220 magazine (just browsing it in Tesco). Not unusual for them to be inaccurate. I did think that figure seemed very low.


My GPS recorded it as 527m.

https://www.strava.com/activities/355144069
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blindcider wrote:

Traffic wise there is a longish A-road section as you go from Loop 1 onto loop 2 and quite a lot of road furniture in the middle of the road so its possible to get held up as drivers can't get past other racers in front.


Hopefully traffic in the form of other riders will be limited if things go as planned. Not that I want the lone training ride experience I had at the 226 last year.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Strava has 1,676ft

It's flat but not THAT flat.

The southern loop is as flat as you are likely to find in the UK but the northern loop is quite undulating.

There is only one "Hill" but lots of times the gradient is going up. No reason to get off the aero bars, the back end of the northern loop particularly is a long draggy climb.

Its nothing to worry about, but just don't expect pancake flat.



As for the road surfaces Pretty much echo above. For 99% of the course its very good. and the last few KM are SO bad you should naturally want to slow down.

Its not even all of the last few K's either just parts. I've just accepted its part of the race, take it easy. I've done 110 hard miles I can afford to relax the final bit, I've got a bit of a run coming up...

I did it in 2015 in the full horror show weather without issue, but did see some casualties.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pancake flat is actually counterproductive, as you never get out of the saddle and use varying muscles. Gently undulating and the odd hill are fine in my book.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
Pancake flat is actually counterproductive, as you never get out of the saddle and use varying muscles. Gently undulating and the odd hill are fine in my book.




Agreed, I preferred the old 3 Northern loop course for that reason. I looked forward to Oxton bank each loop as a chance to stretch.

Same is also true for the run, really flat runs hurt, a few lumps and bumps help alternate muscles.


Unfortunately there is NO relief on the run, that is Pancake flat Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in after nearly 5 years of concentrating on ultras. Had entered last year, but failed to get the bike mileage in, so fell back to running races only.

Haven't done this distance since Regensburg in 2011 (pleasure of going for a training swim with Jorgan beforehand ).

Staying at the Nottingham Riverside Travelodge.

A last hurrah at the long distance, as I don't think my creaky old bones could face the training again. Maybe a last hurrah on TriTalk too! Wink .
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andy mac wrote:
I'm in after nearly 5 years of concentrating on ultras. Had entered last year, but failed to get the bike mileage in, so fell back to running races only.

Haven't done this distance since Regensburg in 2011 (pleasure of going for a training swim with Jorgan beforehand ).


Regensburg is still my PB. Maybe this is a good omen for 23rd July Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
So, with only 660m of climbing, this has to be one of the flattest Iron bike legs going? What are the road surfaces like? Sure I read somewhere that the final few Kms are pretty bad?

Won't get to ride the course before the race, which is a shame, but should be able to drive it on Fri or Sat before. Is it signed at that point?


I raced the Outlaw in 2014 and with what I remember road surfaces were pretty good.
Except for the poor guy who got a flat 300m after the start along the lake...

Flat also means no rest. Living in a hilly area, i found it very hard, especiallu when the wind picks up.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want a PROPERLY flat IM course, look no further than Midnightman! About 600 feet of climbing over the duration of the bike route
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