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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re Money Ejc, remember it is just a man made invention, created to enable trade. But it is also one of the most addictive things known to man, and one of the easiest routes towards darkness. We need it, but instead of it being a useful tool, it has become a weapon of darkness.

Some people can't afford a drink of water, others bet a million a hand in a casino seventy times an hour. But when you boil it down it is just a piece of paper. One that has darkened the human race, when it was suppose to enable it.

By the way I still haven't received my half trillion, must gave got lost in the post.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Re Money Ejc, remember it is just a man made invention, created to enable trade. But it is also one of the most addictive things known to man, and one of the easiest routes towards darkness. We need it, but instead of it being a useful tool, it has become a weapon of darkness.


Remember, it's not me that's asking for sacks of it...and it's not me that's pissing sacks of other people's hard earned money up against the wall
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's because humans think nationalistically, not humanistically.

You won't solve such problems until the human race thinks more fully in terms of "one people one planet.


So, this philosophy that failed across a continent will work across the globe?

Unlikely me thinks...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's because humans think nationalistically, not humanistically.

You won't solve such problems until the human race thinks more fully in terms of "one people one planet.


So, this philosophy that failed across a continent will work across the globe?

Unlikely me thinks...
thats actually a United Nations slogan Ejc, iirc.

You can either look at human beings as being groups of different individuals (nations, race, tribe whatever) or as people who are individually different but who share this planet who are organised into nations.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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explorerJC wrote:
SloggingScotsman wrote:
That's because humans think nationalistically, not humanistically.

You won't solve such problems until the human race thinks more fully in terms of "one people one planet.


So, this philosophy that failed across a continent will work across the globe?

Unlikely me thinks...
thats actually a United Nations slogan Ejc, iirc.

You can either look at human beings as being groups of different individuals (nations, race, tribe whatever) or as people who are individually different but who share this planet who are organised into nations.


The UN being a shambles, of course...

Much of those differences have, of course, been created by those nations...

There are better ways of solving the problem rather than imposing an ideology...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Ejc you know my way of doing things, listen to all sides, find common ground, be transparent, auditable, use the principle of subsidiarity, not creating bogeymen or using institutions as a method of deflecting from domestic policy failures or to score political points. Admit your mistakes, touch hearts, show people what is possible if the will is there.

If I was a billionaire btw I would be doing a lot of good work, especially with the homeless.

So Ejc, cards on the table, what do you propose the solution to be?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emancipation of women
Education for all
Access to drinking water
Investment in renewable energy
Free speech
Sustainability
Community welfare
Localised workforces in specialist community projects
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If I was a billionaire btw I would be doing a lot of good work, especially with the homeless.

?


This is where we differ...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Emancipation of women
Education for all
Access to drinking water
Investment in renewable energy
Free speech
Sustainability
Community welfare
Localised workforces in specialist community projects
good objectives Ejc, but how would you achieve them?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
Emancipation of women
Education for all
Access to drinking water
Investment in renewable energy
Free speech
Sustainability
Community welfare
Localised workforces in specialist community projects
good objectives Ejc, but how would you achieve them?


this all could have been done long ago whilst billions were wasted creating those drinks cabinets

However, at this late stage, the uk can start to invest in renewables now, can direct its aid into the education of women where currently this doesn't happen, can invest in water supply and the education of water engineers (currently mostly still through ngo), can offer credit at 0% for local projects and can start to export skills to replace the skills its imported in recent years....all from its current infrastructure whilst it plans to reorganise for the future
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ejc, a thought...

You do realise that money nowadays really is little more that virtual digits on a computer screen, yes? Central banks can and do create money out of thin air, QE is one form, helicopter money another that is currently being discussed. Now don't get me wrong get the money supply wrong and you wreck an economy through hyperinflation etc, but seriously it isn't any more than you having the authority to type some digits into a computer. Similarly with retail banks, when they lend money they are, in principle, creating money in much the same way. The banknotes in your wallet are but a small fraction of the money supply. Creating money really is as easy as hitting a few keyboard keys. Getting that wrong could and does wreck nations however.

You may work very hard for your money Ejc, but it really is created out of thin air nowadays.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:
Ejc, a thought...

You do realise that money nowadays really is little more that virtual digits on a computer screen, yes? Central banks can and do create money out of thin air, QE is one form, helicopter money another that is currently being discussed. Now don't get me wrong get the money supply wrong and you wreck an economy through hyperinflation etc, but seriously it isn't any more than you having the authority to type some digits into a computer. Similarly with retail banks, when they lend money they are, in principle, creating money in much the same way. The banknotes in your wallet are but a small fraction of the money supply. Creating money really is as easy as hitting a few keyboard keys. Getting that wrong could and does wreck nations however.

You may work very hard for your money Ejc, but it really is created out of thin air nowadays.


sometimes Sloggers I am impressed by how much you type and yet how little you say...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just going to pop back into this thread, apologise profusely and readily admit I can't be arsed to read the last 4 pages, forgive me Wink

But as the OP was something about the EU (I can't even remember what it was - it was, like, last century) here's a bit of a rant:

Three of us at our company have set up a meeting with a key Belgian industrial partner. He is fundamental to our business and we are a significant potential future for his.

Trouble is, one of us three is Chinese (although lived in the UK 10+yrs). He cannot attend this meeting next month because he needs a visa to visit the EU, for just one simple business meeting. For this visa he needs to show 3+ months salary slips (we're a start-up, so no salary slips yet) plus a juggernaut full of other documentation. Which will all take 1-3 months to complete. Just so he can attend one, simple business meeting.

This guy is vital for this meeting and, instead, is going to have to conference call in whilst we 2 physically attend.

Yet the EU flings open its doors to millions of North Africans and Arabs, offering them homes and lifestyles, 'come on in, people, you're all welcome!'

No wonder the EU is f*cked.

Ok, rant over.

Carry on.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
SloggingScotsman wrote:
Ejc, a thought...

You do realise that money nowadays really is little more that virtual digits on a computer screen, yes? Central banks can and do create money out of thin air, QE is one form, helicopter money another that is currently being discussed. Now don't get me wrong get the money supply wrong and you wreck an economy through hyperinflation etc, but seriously it isn't any more than you having the authority to type some digits into a computer. Similarly with retail banks, when they lend money they are, in principle, creating money in much the same way. The banknotes in your wallet are but a small fraction of the money supply. Creating money really is as easy as hitting a few keyboard keys. Getting that wrong could and does wreck nations however.

You may work very hard for your money Ejc, but it really is created out of thin air nowadays.


sometimes Sloggers I am impressed by how much you type and yet how little you say...
it me training to become a politician one day. Razz
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Gus wrote:
I'm just going to pop back into this thread, apologise profusely and readily admit I can't be arsed to read the last 4 pages, forgive me Wink

But as the OP was something about the EU (I can't even remember what it was - it was, like, last century) here's a bit of a rant:

Three of us at our company have set up a meeting with a key Belgian industrial partner. He is fundamental to our business and we are a significant potential future for his.

Trouble is, one of us three is Chinese (although lived in the UK 10+yrs). He cannot attend this meeting next month because he needs a visa to visit the EU, for just one simple business meeting. For this visa he needs to show 3+ months salary slips (we're a start-up, so no salary slips yet) plus a juggernaut full of other documentation. Which will all take 1-3 months to complete. Just so he can attend one, simple business meeting.

This guy is vital for this meeting and, instead, is going to have to conference call in whilst we 2 physically attend.

Yet the EU flings open its doors to millions of North Africans and Arabs, offering them homes and lifestyles, 'come on in, people, you're all welcome!'

No wonder the EU is f*cked.

Ok, rant over.

Carry on.
Given the strong anti immigration stance in Britain just now do you think that leaving will improve this?
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